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Re: Attorney Training Aid
Posted by: dcarpenter (IP Logged)
Date: January 11, 2018 04:00PM

NFPA 921 is that document. This reference was published prior to NFPA 921. It does not contain reliable information.

NFPA 921 is the document that is relevant for both the fire investigator and the prosecutor. Both working off the same page. First and foremost, the fire investigator brings a scientifically reliable determination of an incendiary fire to the prosecutor based on evidence (i.e. data that is both relevant and reliable). Without such, the decision is easy. No prosecution. Presentation of a reliable case of an incendiary fire to a jury is then also based on the SM and evidence. NFPA 921 provides a discussion of what is considered evidence based on the stage of the investigation. First determination the cause classification and then determine responsibility. Both determinations to be based on evidence.Using only evidence as to responsibility to back fill a cause classification via "circumstantial evidence" is not a reliable application of the SM in fire investigation.


Smokebuster5 Wrote:
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> Thanks Doug. I found a document (Arson
> Prosecution: Issues & Strategies) from 1988
> produced by the Fire Administration. It is
> clearly a testimate to how far the profession has
> come.
>
> I have articulated things like the SM to the
> attorney, but was hoping that someone smarter than
> me had made a "cheat sheet" of sorts that they
> give attorneys to help them have a better
> understanding of how to deliver the information we
> bring to them. I don't even know if anyone has
> made such a thing, just putting out feelers.
>
> [www.ncjrs.gov]
> 8NCJRS.pdf

Douglas J. Carpenter, MScFPE, CFEI, PE, FSFPE
Vice President & Principal Engineer
Combustion Science & Engineering, Inc.
8940 Old Annapolis Road, Suite L
Columbia, MD 21045
(410) 884-3266
(410) 884-3267 (fax)
www.csefire.com



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Attorney Training Aid 1559 Smokebuster5 01/11/2018 08:15AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 952 dcarpenter 01/11/2018 08:43AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 883 dcarpenter 01/11/2018 09:41AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 919 Smokebuster5 01/11/2018 12:36PM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 899 dcarpenter 01/11/2018 04:00PM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 933 djicove 01/12/2018 02:36AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 868 rfields 01/14/2018 10:19PM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 813 markspoo 01/17/2018 08:47AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 873 dcarpenter 01/18/2018 09:29AM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 772 dcarpenter 01/18/2018 05:54PM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 847 CJN 01/17/2018 05:42PM
  Re: Attorney Training Aid 784 EEEvers 01/22/2018 09:17AM


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