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Re: Rate of Error
Posted by: Sir Gary (IP Logged)
Date: November 03, 2016 01:37AM

> Does any one know of a paper or court ruling that specifically states by not following the methodology in 921 could lead to a increase rate of error.
This was probably a rhetorical question, Jim?

(As I see it) the problem is obvious;
an error rate can only be determined if you know the correct answer
- this is currently usually the call of the responding FI,
Unless we have fire scenes attended by multiple FI's,
the 'correct' finding thoroughly debated and decided upon in a court of law,
and the non 921-adhering FI's then counted, tallied and reported - who would know?


A similar issue arises when laboratory accreditors start asking for error rates/standard deviations etc.
This is fine for DNA-analysis with a verifiable "1 in 17 billion"-type statistics,
or drug analysis with demonstrable quantitative values with a "RDS <1.2%".
How do you quantify the 'certainty' of fire-debris analysis (see ASTM E1618) or Fire Investigation?

I do recall some structured burn testing where a class of FI's were called in to make their (respective) calls;
as I remember the results were worrying...



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Rate of Error 1646 J L Mazerat 11/02/2016 07:17PM
  Re: Rate of Error 1147 Sir Gary 11/03/2016 01:37AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1061 dcarpenter 11/03/2016 07:14AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1006 Sir Gary 11/04/2016 02:00AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1129 John J. Lentini, CFEI 11/03/2016 08:11AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1071 PMK140 11/04/2016 09:31AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1004 mhennessy 11/19/2016 12:56PM
  Re: Rate of Error 1075 John J. Lentini, CFEI 11/19/2016 07:03PM
  Re: Rate of Error 979 Sir Gary 11/20/2016 03:56AM
  Re: Rate of Error 1023 dcarpenter 11/21/2016 09:12AM
  Re: Rate of Error 982 dcarpenter 11/21/2016 01:45PM
  Re: Rate of Error 928 mhennessy 11/22/2016 10:27AM
  Re: Rate of Error 880 SJAvato 03/05/2017 02:25PM


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