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Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires
Posted by: Gerald Hurst (IP Logged)
Date: December 21, 2006 05:32PM

Let me remind you that the "rocketing" of an aerosol can is very much a secondary issue. What is important is the momentum-balancing travel of the liquid, providing that liquid is combustible. Obviously, is the liquid is salt water, neither the trajectory of the can or the water is of much import.

In the K-Mart fire they were dealing with a carburetor cleaner. Let's look at the formulation of a contemporary carburetor cleaner aerosol:

METHYL ALCOHOL* 1 - 10 200 PPM FLAMMABLE
XYLENE** 15 -25 100 PPM FLAMMABLE
TOLUENE** 15 - 25 100 PPM FLAMMABLE
LIQUIFIED PETROLEUM GAS 25 - 30 1000 PPM FLAMMABLE
DIACETONE ALCOHOL 1 - 10 50 PPM FLAMMABLE
ISOPAR M 20 - 30 NE FLAMMABLE
METHYL ETHYL KETONE 1 - 10 200 PPM FLAMMABLE

The rupture pressure of the can is about 200 PSI. This pressure can be reached in a car parked in the sun so it can certainly be reached in a fire scene without the actual flames being anywhere near the can. Once the can pops, the LPG vapors will provide the path for the flames to follow to the displaced liquid. It really doesn't matter much how much accelerant lands on a distant target (such as a blanket). A little accelerant can go a long way in more than one sense.

You suggest that we wait until someone conducts "scientific" tests to show that a spray can of this type can create a second apparent origin. I suggest that fire investigators remember that it is their job to eliminate reasonably possible alternater causes. Thus the burden properly lies with the investigator to conduct any research necessary to positively eliminate spray can effects before declaring multiple origins.

The problem, of course, is that if an investigator has already summarily dismissed aerosol cans in some previous investigation, it may be difficult to persuade him that he may have been to hasty.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 2263 John J. Lentini, CFEI 12/16/2006 10:18AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1261 cda 12/16/2006 11:22PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1278 cda 12/16/2006 11:27PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1266 cda 12/16/2006 11:29PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1219 jgmcfps 12/18/2006 10:03AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1200 dahebert 12/18/2006 04:20PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1178 John J. Lentini, CFEI 01/07/2007 09:06AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1003 MIKE 01/12/2007 10:48AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1193 Jim Mazerat 12/19/2006 12:06PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1103 cda 12/20/2006 08:47AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1431 Gerald Hurst 12/20/2006 10:50AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1132 Gerald Hurst 12/20/2006 01:39PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1109 Jim Mazerat 12/20/2006 08:33PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1077 Gerald Hurst 12/21/2006 09:18AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1125 Jim Mazerat 12/21/2006 11:59AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1178 dahebert 12/21/2006 10:10AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1099 Gerald Hurst 12/21/2006 05:32PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1122 Jim Mazerat 12/21/2006 07:02PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1067 Gerald Hurst 12/22/2006 10:49AM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1101 Jim Mazerat 12/22/2006 12:04PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1082 Gerald Hurst 12/22/2006 01:27PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1053 Jim Mazerat 12/22/2006 03:45PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 982 Jim Mazerat 12/22/2006 12:58PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1043 Gerald Hurst 12/22/2006 01:28PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1148 Anthony Tester 12/19/2006 08:34PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1051 Jim Mazerat 12/20/2006 10:05PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1042 Jim Mazerat 12/21/2006 04:49PM
  Re: Exploding aerosol cans spreading fires 1097 Jim Mazerat 12/23/2006 12:25PM


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