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Re: Significant error rate
Posted by: SJAvato (IP Logged)
Date: February 13, 2007 10:41AM

The last decade and a half have revealed plenty of examples of the misapplication and / or misunderstanding of the "Daubert criteria" (in my opinion anyway). "General acceptance" and "error rate" are the biggest problems. John is correct in that error rate does not really apply, or at least translate well, to fire investigations. I also agree with John regarding "probable". When I say that something is the probable cause of the fire, I mean that, based on my analysis of the available data, it is my opinion that this is how the fire started. Could there have been a minute chance that something else caused the fire (extraterrestrial thermogenesis?)? Perhaps, but in this case, I feel the evidence best supports this as the cause. This is a business heavily dependent on opinions and opinions are like ... ubiquitous (they're everywhere.) What we need is for the opinions to be based on careful and critical analysis of data that is filtered through current, valid knowledge of the scientific underpinnings of the fire phenomenon.
I also agree that the old mythology is being replaced by new misconceptions and false beliefs. These, however, are at least based on more valid and tested concepts, although they are misapplied without regard to certain test parameters and limitations. This misapplication can occur on both sides of any contested issue. There are some Ph.D. educated investigators who get it just as wrong as the high school drop-out. I am reminded of an anecdotal report of a defense expert who testified that the fire could not have occurred the way it was presented because the "numbers" didn't work - turns out that he was using English units instead of SI for a formula that was derived using SI.


"A new scientific truth does not establish itself by its enemies being convinced and expressing their change of opinion, but rather by its enemies gradually dying out and the younger generation being taught the truth from the beginning." - Max Planck



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Significant error rate 1593 Jim Mazerat 02/12/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Significant error rate 1187 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/12/2007 09:30PM
  Re: Significant error rate 974 MIJ 02/12/2007 10:54PM
  Re: Significant error rate 894 SJAvato 02/13/2007 10:41AM
  Re: Significant error rate 879 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 11:17AM
  Re: Significant error rate 1052 dcarpenter 02/13/2007 10:44AM
  Re: Significant error rate 817 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 11:34AM
  Re: Significant error rate 870 dcarpenter 02/13/2007 11:56AM
  Re: Significant error rate 881 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 10:48AM
  Re: Significant error rate 829 dcarpenter 02/13/2007 10:49AM
  Re: Significant error rate 854 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 11:39AM
  Re: Significant error rate 903 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/14/2007 10:42AM
  Re: Significant error rate 881 SJAvato 02/13/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Significant error rate 902 PMK140 02/13/2007 06:37PM
  Re: Significant error rate 841 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 07:29PM
  Re: Significant error rate 873 Jim Mazerat 02/15/2007 12:08PM
  Re: Significant error rate 798 MIJ 02/15/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Significant error rate 867 Jim Mazerat 02/15/2007 04:32PM
  Re: Significant error rate 822 Jim Mazerat 02/13/2007 07:59PM
  Re: Significant error rate 893 SJAvato 02/13/2007 10:33PM
  Re: Significant error rate 869 Jim Mazerat 02/14/2007 10:50AM


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