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State Laws vs Personal Preferences
Posted by: Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant (IP Logged)
Date: March 04, 2007 12:17PM

Certifications are very important and necessary for our field. Both are equal when it comes time to testify. Which certification is "better" has never been a question raised nor has it been an issue in over two decades in the business. I have come across several past clients that stated they want a CFI Certification only. I have responded that both certification are equal and it is the person's credentials they should be checking.

PI Licensure is the most important thing in our field. If you are not licensed (41 or 50 states require licensure for Fire Investigations) then you are by state law committing a criminal offense and are subject to (some states are extremely stiff) civil penatlies and criminal charges. Regardless of what many engineers here think as well, many states DO NOT exempt engineers from this requirement (Engineers will need both a PI and PE license in the state).

Many states are currently in the process of changing their rules as they apply to PIs. Washington state, for one, has legislation pending which will no longer Exempt Expert Witnesses or Engineers from the PI Law, and also changes the Reciprocity Statute. Currently it allows outside PIs to work in their state up to 30 days per year. That is being significantly reduced to a proposed 3 days per year and ONLY with previous written authorization by the PI Board. They are also changing the law to require EVERY PI to have a license and no longer can the major firms utilize a "blanket license" by their branch manager.

Believe it or not, I also know several PIs who are working doing Arson Defense work who have never heard of the IAAI, NAFI, or NFPA. The states just require them to have a PI license. Here is a draft of the nearly identical state laws pertaining to what is and is not a "PI". Please take interest in 2(d) & (e).


(1) “Client” means a person who engages an investigator, firm, partnership, corporation or other entity for the purpose of conducting lawful activity on the person’s behalf.
(2) “Investigator” means a person who is a licensed investigator under ORS 703.430 and who engages in the business of obtaining or furnishing, or who solicits or accepts employment to obtain or furnish, information about:
(a) Crimes or wrongs done or threatened against the United States or any state or territory of the United States;
(b) The identity, habits, conduct, business, occupation, honesty, integrity, credibility, knowledge, trustworthiness, efficiency, loyalty, activities, movements, whereabouts, affiliations, associations, transactions, acts, reputation or character of any person;
(c) The location, disposition or recovery of lost or stolen property;
(d) The cause of or responsibility for fires, libels, losses, accidents, damages or injuries to persons or property; or
(e) Evidence to be used before any court, board, officer, referee, arbitrator or investigation committee. [1997 c.870 §1; 2001 c.838 §1; 2005 c.613 §9]


Chris Bloom



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Certifications 2181 K Vanderpool 03/02/2007 11:48AM
  Re: Certifications 1421 MIKE 03/02/2007 02:03PM
  Re: Certifications 1515 PMK140 03/02/2007 04:49PM
  Re: Certifications 1343 MIKE 03/02/2007 05:22PM
  Re: Certifications 1182 Jerrett L. Love IAAI-CFI, CFEI 03/02/2007 06:04PM
  Re: Certifications 1194 MIKE 03/02/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Certifications 1250 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 06:30PM
  Re: Certifications 1186 firecop5002 03/04/2007 10:51PM
  Re: Certifications 1260 Anonymous User 03/05/2007 09:16AM
  Re: Certifications 1213 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/06/2007 02:11AM
  Witness Tampering 1344 jgmcfps 03/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Witness Tampering 1168 Jim Mazerat 03/06/2007 12:38PM
  Re: Witness Tampering 1104 jgmcfps 03/06/2007 06:05PM
  Witness Tampering Articles 1128 jgmcfps 03/06/2007 06:17PM
  PI Licenses - Testifying 1241 Hunter B. (Terry) Lacy 03/07/2007 10:13PM
  Re: PI Licenses - Testifying 1101 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/08/2007 02:47AM
  Re: PI Licenses - Testifying 1061 PMK140 03/08/2007 10:02AM
  Re: PI Licenses - Testifying 1725 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/08/2007 12:23PM
  Re: PI Licenses - Testifying 1022 Hunter B. (Terry) Lacy 03/08/2007 11:04PM
  State Laws vs Personal Preferences 1381 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/04/2007 12:17PM
  Re: Certifications 1266 RDS 03/05/2007 08:18AM
  Re: Certifications 1727 PMK140 03/05/2007 08:53AM
  Re: Certifications 1192 Jim Mazerat 03/05/2007 09:53AM
  Re: Certifications 1193 PMK140 03/05/2007 01:04PM
  Re: Certifications 1231 Jim Mazerat 03/05/2007 02:32PM
  Re: Certifications 1182 PMK140 03/05/2007 03:33PM
  Re: Certifications 1265 Jim Mazerat 03/05/2007 03:59PM
  Re: Certifications 1140 PMK140 03/05/2007 04:08PM
  Re: Certifications 1100 Jim Mazerat 03/05/2007 04:19PM
  Re: Certifications 1177 ssklar 03/08/2007 08:06PM
  Re: Certifications 1158 Jim Mazerat 03/08/2007 09:35PM
  Re: Certifications 1095 Jim Mazerat 03/08/2007 09:46PM
  Re: Certifications 1030 ssklar 03/09/2007 09:34AM
  Re: Certifications 1185 Gerald Hurst 03/06/2007 12:53AM
  Re: Certifications 1166 Jim Mazerat 03/06/2007 08:02AM
  Re: Certifications 1192 G Van Doren 03/06/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Certifications 1134 Jim Mazerat 03/06/2007 12:39PM
  Re: Certifications 1184 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/06/2007 09:58PM
  Re: Certifications 1289 G Van Doren 03/07/2007 08:49AM
  Re: Certifications 1127 ssklar 03/08/2007 08:18PM
  Re: Certifications 1192 Jim Mazerat 03/08/2007 09:44PM
  Re: Certifications 1003 Jim Mazerat 03/08/2007 10:11PM
  Re: Certifications 1066 dcarpenter 03/09/2007 09:17AM
  Re: Certifications 1077 PMK140 03/09/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Certifications 1053 Jim Mazerat 03/06/2007 11:14AM
  Re: Certifications 1215 Gerald Hurst 03/06/2007 12:37PM
  Re: Certifications 1060 Jim Mazerat 03/06/2007 12:48PM
  Re: Certifications 1155 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/06/2007 02:03AM
  Re: Certifications 1192 RDS 03/05/2007 02:56PM
  Re: Certifications 1267 Jim Mazerat 03/05/2007 03:07PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1218 PMK140 03/07/2007 08:10AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1109 Jim Mazerat 03/07/2007 09:46AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1198 PMK140 03/07/2007 04:23PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 977 Jim Mazerat 03/07/2007 05:16PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1136 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/08/2007 12:39AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1771 jgmcfps 03/07/2007 09:55AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1168 Jim Mazerat 03/07/2007 10:38AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1739 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/07/2007 11:04AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1041 Jim Mazerat 03/07/2007 02:07PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1168 Jim Mazerat 03/07/2007 09:55AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1090 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/08/2007 12:41AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1085 dahebert 03/08/2007 12:20PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1053 MIJ 03/08/2007 01:02PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1182 PMK140 03/08/2007 05:52PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1068 dahebert 03/08/2007 08:33PM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1099 rjschaal 03/09/2007 12:34AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1092 dahebert 03/09/2007 09:41AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1191 PMK140 03/09/2007 10:15AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1124 dahebert 03/09/2007 10:44AM
  Re: Certifications - Question for Bloom and Munger 1154 rjschaal 03/09/2007 12:41PM


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