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Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence
Posted by: John J. Lentini, CFEI (IP Logged)
Date: October 29, 2016 11:55AM

I have seen numerous tests where the fire burned for minutes beyond flashover AND the fire pattern at the origin survived. The problem is not so much the survival of the pattern, but the ability of fire investigators to recognize the significance of the surviving pattern, especially in the presence of a much more prominent ventilation-generated pattern. The patterns shown in the attached photo were produced in a test fire that burned for 3.5 minutes beyond flashover.

In determining an origin, I think the goal should be to identify the ventilation-generated patterns and ignore them. Depth of calcination and heat and flame vector analyses would be useless, and probably misleading, in the example shown.

John Lentini, CFI, D-ABC
Fire Investigation Consultant
Florida Keys
[www.firescientist.com]

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  Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 2233 dcarpenter 10/28/2016 10:52AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1165 Rsuninv 10/28/2016 03:12PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1045 dcarpenter 10/28/2016 04:49PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1032 Rsuninv 10/29/2016 08:58AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1212 John J. Lentini, CFEI 10/29/2016 11:55AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1032 Rsuninv 10/29/2016 12:45PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1059 Fire 10/30/2016 01:24AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 973 mmesseng 11/01/2016 07:29PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 962 SCarman 11/04/2016 12:20PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1082 Dennis Merkley 11/06/2016 11:09AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 994 SCarman 11/20/2016 11:11PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 933 dcarpenter 11/21/2016 09:04AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 952 SCarman 11/22/2016 12:42PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 951 dcarpenter 11/22/2016 04:25PM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 928 Sir Gary 11/23/2016 02:03AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1141 dcarpenter 10/31/2016 07:51AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1163 John J. Lentini, CFEI 10/31/2016 08:26AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1005 Rsuninv 10/31/2016 09:34AM
  Re: Fire Origin Pattern Persistence 1070 dcarpenter 10/31/2016 10:59AM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 1181 PMK140 11/23/2016 08:53AM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 993 dcarpenter 11/28/2016 05:22PM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 1044 John J. Lentini, CFEI 11/28/2016 11:01PM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 965 Sir Gary 11/29/2016 01:17AM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 1244 greg.gorbett 12/03/2016 07:47AM
  Re: Tinsley, Gorbett paper addresses this issue 1335 dcarpenter 12/22/2016 05:31PM


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