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Re: So who are the opposition
Posted by: John Lentini (IP Logged)
Date: October 31, 2021 11:45AM

Richard Feynman said, "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves."

But for the kind of rearguard action that started this thread, Fire Investigation, as a forensic science discipline, is doing better than most.

We know there have been mistakes and we know how to address them. In many forensic science disciplines, questioning the fundamental validity of what they do causes practitioners to become apoplectic. Fingerprints, firearms identification (especially shell casings), DNA mixtures and bitemarks all come to mind. Large numbers of practitioners in those disciplines are still in denial. I think most fire investigators got over that about 20 years ago, when NFPA 921 can be said to have become "generally accepted."

For a detailed overview of the history of our profession since the mid-1970s, see Fire Investigation-Historical Perspective and Recent Developments, available here:

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Sure, there are still some in denial, but many of those have retired to be replaced by new investigators for whom NFPA 921 has always been a fact of life. To quote another great scientist, Max Planck, "Science advances on funeral at a time."

BTW, Claude Garrett is innocent.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  So who are the opposition 810 Fire 09/04/2021 05:41PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 452 cda 09/04/2021 07:22PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 455 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 09/04/2021 07:37PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 481 Fire 09/05/2021 10:01AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 453 BaFire2762 09/06/2021 07:24PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 458 Fire 09/06/2021 08:27PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 488 dcarpenter 09/07/2021 08:12AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 442 Fire 09/08/2021 12:46PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 424 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 09/08/2021 12:59PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 435 dcarpenter 09/09/2021 07:01PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 430 dcarpenter 09/10/2021 09:46AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 443 DG29 09/10/2021 08:18PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 440 Fire 09/14/2021 04:19PM
  Re: So who are the opposition 396 J L Mazerat 09/20/2021 08:31AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 354 Fire 10/31/2021 10:58AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 392 John Lentini 10/31/2021 11:45AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 349 Fire 11/01/2021 09:07AM
  Re: So who are the opposition 346 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/05/2021 10:12PM


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