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Compiling of Unreliable Indicators
Posted by: dcarpenter (IP Logged)
Date: October 29, 2020 03:16PM

Recently, I have encountered a number of fire investigations where unreliable indicators are used as the basis for an origin determination. The most frequent indicators have been the presence of a "v-pattern" and the area of greatest damage.

Individually, is it well-known that the presence fo a "v-pattern" and the area of greatest damage are scientifically unreliable indicators of the area of fire origin. The common response is an acknowledgement that while individually this may be true, it is only one factor that was considered in arriving at the area of origin determination. The problem is that if you take these unreliable indicators away, there is no other evidence to support a reliable determination of the area of fire origin.

So individually, these indicators are unreliable, but if one combines them in the "totality of the evidence," it is somehow now deemed to be reliable? The frequency of this response was surprising and I wondered if this has been taught to fire investigators as a means to circumvent the reliability issue of such indicators. Anyone have any experience with this as a part of their education and training?

Douglas J. Carpenter, MScFPE, CFEI, PE, FSFPE
Vice President & Principal Engineer
Combustion Science & Engineering, Inc.
8940 Old Annapolis Road, Suite L
Columbia, MD 21045
(410) 884-3266
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Subject Views Written By Posted
  Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 861 dcarpenter 10/29/2020 03:16PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 538 John Lentini 10/30/2020 09:59AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 565 dcarpenter 10/30/2020 02:58PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 560 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/02/2020 07:50PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 497 dcarpenter 11/06/2020 12:48PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 450 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 02:10AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 453 dcarpenter 11/08/2020 07:33PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 446 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/09/2020 11:45AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 477 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 09:21AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 488 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 09:55AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 444 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 03:55PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 448 J L Mazerat 11/08/2020 12:24PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 482 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/09/2020 11:53AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 429 J L Mazerat 11/10/2020 01:45PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 431 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/12/2020 01:13PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 491 dcarpenter 11/08/2020 07:34PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 447 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 10:02AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 476 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 03:57PM


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