Fire/Arson Investigations :  Fire/Arson Investigations The fastest message board... ever.
A place to ask questions and add to probative and informative discussions associated with the various aspects of the field of fire investigation. -- FORUM RULES---BE CIVIL AND NO NAME CALLING, NO BELITTLING, NO BERATING, NO DENIGRATING others. Postings in violation of these rules can be removed or editted to remove the offending remarks at the discretion of the moderators and/or site administrator. 
Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators
Posted by: Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant (IP Logged)
Date: November 09, 2020 11:53AM

Jim:

The other side may THINK they have ammunition BUT again until 921 comes out with a FORMAL INTERPRETATION, by NFPA's own rules, one person's OPINION is not any more or less accurate (or better) than another's. You are allowed to deviate from the RECOMMENDATIONS, as long as any deviation is Justified. It is up to the COURTS (Judge or Jury) to decide whether the justification is right or wrong.

We are disagreeing about DESCRIPTIONS of the investigation, NOT the investigation itself. Doug may believe that his personal interpretation of the Scientific Method is correct (and in most cases I would agree), but NFPA 921 is NOT Absolute. It is a Consensus Document subject to revisions every 3-4 years. There are other cases where what was queried is just as accurate DESCRIPTION, using the scientific method. Again, I raise this issue and this is a general description -NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE SPECIFIC. A witness may follow the scientific method and NFPA 921 and have 15 different titles behind their name and 10 Doctorate degrees, but if you cannot explain it in DESCRIPTIONS in simple terms to an average uninformed client or to an average 10th grade educated jurist, you've already lost. As the former Justice of the Supreme Court of Australia told me personally in a case I was involved in recently.....KISS--Keep It Simple Stupid.

Again, I am not saying don't follow NFPA 921. I agree 100% it is an important document and a long term betterment of the industry. What I am saying is that while I follow 921, IN MY REPORT EXPLANATION I use these terms to DESCRIBE (for simplicity purposes) to the reader, the synopsis of the INVESTIGATION (using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD) in simpler terms that they can understand.
Chris



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 858 dcarpenter 10/29/2020 03:16PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 537 John Lentini 10/30/2020 09:59AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 563 dcarpenter 10/30/2020 02:58PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 557 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/02/2020 07:50PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 496 dcarpenter 11/06/2020 12:48PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 448 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 02:10AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 451 dcarpenter 11/08/2020 07:33PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 443 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/09/2020 11:45AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 475 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 09:21AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 486 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 09:55AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 442 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 03:55PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 446 J L Mazerat 11/08/2020 12:24PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 479 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/09/2020 11:53AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 427 J L Mazerat 11/10/2020 01:45PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 428 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/12/2020 01:13PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 488 dcarpenter 11/08/2020 07:34PM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 444 J L Mazerat 11/07/2020 10:02AM
  Re: Compiling of Unreliable Indicators 475 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 11/07/2020 03:57PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.