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Re: One Question
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 25, 2007 10:59AM

You make it sound like the investigator has the intent of harming people before the investigation is started. Before the hurricane, I would have said I did not believe that was possible, but in the handling of some of the storm claims that question has been raised with good supporting documentation. To say it does not happen is not a supportable position for one to take considering the evidence. In that case I must agree with you to some degree, but we also must remember not to use to broad of a brush when attempting to identify these individuals.

I do not believe just the difference of opinion alone is sufficient evidence to prove intent against the investigator. There will always be differences of opinions when it comes to fire investigations because so much of fire investigation is based on the interpretation of observations. I agree that we all should strive to conduct the best investigation possible to attempt to prevent doing harm to others.

May I ask a question? I know you support 921 as the standard of care for fire investigations. What if an investigator is impeached and punished based on data contained in 921, and later that information is shown not to be correct? What if the person is found guilty based on information contained in the document that is years later found to be incorrect or questionable? What happens to the document? Is it taken off the publication list?

What I am going back to is if I can prove that a person opinion was in error and prevent this error from being carried forward, then that is a good conclusion. Now if I really was to prevent this error from taking place again, yes I can punish the investigator and make an enemy for life, or I can educate him or her to the point they understand their mistake. This way I get another person to carry the word to others that I would not have reached through the punishment method. I think positive re-enforcement will have a greater effect than negative re-enforcement.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  One Question 1882 Jim Mazerat 02/20/2007 06:00PM
  Re: One Question 1146 PMK140 02/20/2007 08:37PM
  Re: One Question 971 Jim Mazerat 02/20/2007 09:13PM
  Re: One Question 1162 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/21/2007 12:33AM
  Re: One Question 1081 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 09:52AM
  Re: One Question 982 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/21/2007 10:59AM
  Re: One Question 1041 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 12:32PM
  Re: One Question 1030 Gerald Hurst 02/21/2007 01:06PM
  Re: One Question 1060 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 01:22PM
  Re: One Question 1022 ssklar 02/22/2007 10:57AM
  Re: One Question 996 Jim Mazerat 02/22/2007 11:45AM
  Re: One Question 1049 Tony La Palio 02/22/2007 02:58PM
  Re: One Question 1019 Jim Mazerat 02/22/2007 03:05PM
  Re: Great Answer to What White Smoke Means 1028 Mike Learmonth 02/25/2007 09:58AM
  Re: One Question 964 ssklar 02/23/2007 04:52PM
  Re: One Question 1068 Jim Mazerat 02/23/2007 07:10PM
  Re: One Question 1003 ssklar 02/24/2007 11:48PM
  Re: One Question 1040 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 10:59AM
  Re: One Question 992 MIJ 02/25/2007 12:10PM
  Re: One Question 1037 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 12:32PM
  Re: One Question 939 ssklar 02/25/2007 04:56PM
  Re: One Question 1539 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 05:28PM
  Re: One Question 969 ssklar 02/26/2007 08:27AM
  Re: One Question 907 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:59AM
  Re: One Question 934 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 07:29PM
  Re: One Question 992 PMK140 02/25/2007 08:02PM
  Re: One Question 913 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 09:11PM
  It's a paradigm 1171 SJAvato 02/21/2007 01:47PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1036 PMK140 02/21/2007 05:05PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1727 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 09:10PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1099 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/25/2007 11:56PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 908 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 11:14AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 972 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 12:12PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 936 PMK140 02/26/2007 08:18AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1002 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 10:05AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 955 MIJ 02/26/2007 10:12AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 930 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 10:23AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 925 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 12:20PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 997 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 06:34PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1076 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 07:17PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1664 SJAvato 02/21/2007 08:02PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 950 Jim Mazerat 02/21/2007 09:00PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1010 Jim Mazerat 02/23/2007 11:21AM
  Re: It's a paradigm 1007 Ted Pagels 02/25/2007 08:23PM
  Re: It's a paradigm 969 Jim Mazerat 02/25/2007 09:13PM


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