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Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is!
Posted by: G Van Doren (IP Logged)
Date: March 16, 2007 08:09AM

Chris,

If you are concerned about people violating the law thereby putting themselves in jeopardy of legal action, then put some sort of warning on the site. Maybe on the heading of the reply screen. For myself I understand the law probably as well as you.

As to conforming to various Codes of Ethic, please direct me to the organization that named you as the Protector of Ethics and Codes. It seems to me that you take much upon yourself as the "Deciderer" of what constitutes a violation and what the punishment should be. The last time I checked by the way, the proper way to address a grievence involving violations of ethics is to follow the complaint procedure of the organization whose Code of Ethics are alleged to have been violated. I haven't seen one that specifies that Chris Bloom is to judge and punish the accused in any fashion.

Now as I have said before since you own this forum, you can make the rules, but when you censor please do not pretend that it is an open forum inviting open, honest and professional debate. Some people will write in ways you don't like. Some will attack. Some will be eloquent and present well thought out postings. There will be some who will always complain about this and that. It is the nature of the human condition. But as I have said before, we are all adults, except of course for the 'cry babies', and we can judge the professionalism and character of the poster by whatever criteria we choose including whether that person is mounting a personal attack or is writing unprofessionally, etc. Except for the 'cry babies' we don't need you to be our Hitler or Stalin.

Now as to name calling, I for one find it extremely objectionable that you are quilty of name calling yourself and most recently in the post to which I respond. I find it un-professional and foul for you to call a poster "Joe Schmo Public Citizen, and more objectionable is for you to characterize a Public Citizen (many here would probably define Public Citizen as American Citizen) as "Joe Schmo" a name we have all come to know is used in negative context and meaning.

Even though you have not yet responded to my recommendation that you publish a list of words and pharases that are subject to a one week or other punishment, in oder that we can know before hand what will get one kicked off the forum, I call on you to see that "Joe Schmo" be on that list, and in all fairness I call upon you, the Deciderer of punishment to ban yourself from posting for two weeks, and to annouce your punishment on the forum for all to see. Yes, two weeks, not one, because as the Deciderer I believe you need to be accountable for at least twice for what your victims are.

Chris, you can call censorship, professionalism, mom's apple pie, a devine relavation from God, or whatever you want. You can also call call crap a Baby Ruth, but most people will recognize censorship as censorship, as most would not eat the crap you might call a Baby Ruth

I'm not advocating for real and hurtful name calling, or for personal attacks on this forum, but for an open forum free of censorship.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 2291 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/14/2007 11:59PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1067 G Van Doren 03/15/2007 07:06AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1012 Nick Markowitz 03/15/2007 08:12AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1110 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/15/2007 10:51AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1055 G Van Doren 03/15/2007 06:02PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --Slippery Slope 1123 PMK140 03/15/2007 08:45AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --Slippery Slope 1063 MIKE 03/15/2007 01:17PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1222 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/15/2007 02:01PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1074 G Van Doren 03/15/2007 05:52PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1004 MIJ 03/15/2007 09:15PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 993 G Van Doren 03/15/2007 09:38PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 958 MIJ 03/15/2007 09:47PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 928 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 07:26AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1006 MIJ 03/16/2007 08:29AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1021 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 09:39AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1021 PMK140 03/16/2007 11:36AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 959 PMK140 03/16/2007 10:32AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 987 Mike H. 03/16/2007 08:09AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1068 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/15/2007 11:53PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1126 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 08:09AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1106 firecop5002 03/16/2007 09:01AM
  Re: Dave's Response 1089 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/16/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Dave's Response 996 firecop5002 03/16/2007 12:00PM
  Re: Dave's Response 968 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/16/2007 12:09PM
  Your statement is misleading.... 925 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 12:22PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1004 K Vanderpool 03/17/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 953 firecop5002 03/18/2007 11:55AM
  Response to George 1242 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/16/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Response to George 1096 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 11:38AM
  Re: Response to George 1009 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 12:04PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 954 PMK140 03/16/2007 10:34AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1051 dahebert 03/16/2007 11:34AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1013 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 11:54AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 942 dahebert 03/16/2007 12:42PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 981 PMK140 03/16/2007 12:50PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 914 dahebert 03/16/2007 12:53PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 903 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 01:15PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 974 dahebert 03/16/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1028 G Van Doren 03/16/2007 01:59PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 988 dahebert 03/17/2007 04:27PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 985 MIJ 03/18/2007 11:59AM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 922 firecop5002 03/18/2007 12:20PM
  Re: Recipient of the First Forum Banned Post --The Winner is! 1055 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/18/2007 09:10PM


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