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Re: Presumption of Inncemce
Posted by: efc (IP Logged)
Date: August 10, 2008 05:08PM

Not saying if this person was innocent or guilty, what I am saying does this not look like presumptive bias. In this show they say the person was charged with arson, however there was no mention of a scene examination being conducted in an effort to determine all potential sources of ignition.

“Morgantown Police Detective Paul Mezzanotte says police initially thought they were dealing with a routine fatal fire. But he says his impressions changed the minute he got to the scene and began watching Shelly”.

"The people that were showing up, they seemed to be more upset than she was. And it was just kind of different when we talked to her that day," he recalls.

The more they talked, the more he was sure this was a "person of interest." Mezzanotte says Shelly "didn't have a reaction" and that he never saw her cry.

"There was something that just kept drawing me to be around her.’Cause something never sat right with me from the beginning of the investigation," he recalls.

And then there was the crime scene itself, with Jimmy's body simply lying on the bed. "When we saw the body, something just stuck out to me that there wasn't something right with this," Mezzanotte explains.

Based on his own testimony, the person investigating the incident made the presumption that the wife was a person of interest because of his hypothesis that her conduct, where she was not as upset as other at the scene. In addition, there were two other factors scientifically supporting his conclusion. The first being, she did not have the reaction he believed she should have to her husband being dead. The next was he did not see her cry. Now he goes into the room where the body was located and sees the body on its back on the bed something was not right.

The following is additional information from the investigating officer.

Det. Mezzanotte says investigators suspected murder from the minute they saw Jimmy's body. "The body looked as if he was asleep. It was like no fire damage I'd ever seen on a body," he says. Mezzanotte says it struck him as "very bizarre." Bizarre, because intense heat normally causes muscles to contract. Not only was Jimmy laying flat on the bed, the healthy 33-year-old man apparently made no effort to escape. "The house was pretty much salvageable, other than just some water and smoke damage. And I thought that was kind of weird," Mezzanotte says.

The medical examination did show he was dead before the fire; however this type of evidence was enough for the investigators to pick this one person and direct all their efforts to prove she was guilty.

This scares me. From the stories on TV and what we have seen as investigators I do not believe there is an presumption of innocence.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Presumption of Inncemce 1777 Mark Goodson 08/10/2008 09:29AM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 999 djn441 08/10/2008 01:09PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 897 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/13/2008 02:04PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 978 MLJ 08/10/2008 04:35PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 859 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/13/2008 02:10PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 880 PMK140 08/13/2008 05:46PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 943 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/13/2008 10:06PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 1105 PMK140 08/15/2008 05:25AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 870 efc 08/15/2008 07:27AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 952 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 08:55AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 904 efc 08/15/2008 09:05AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 893 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 09:22AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 913 John J. Lentini, CFEI 08/15/2008 04:16PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 885 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 04:40PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 929 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 09:16AM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 946 efc 08/15/2008 12:04PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 1129 PMK140 08/15/2008 04:03PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 1000 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 04:59PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 884 John J. Lentini, CFEI 08/15/2008 05:09PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 812 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 05:23PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 907 efc 08/15/2008 05:34PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 1046 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 06:30PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 893 efc 08/15/2008 07:35PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 869 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 10:08PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 879 efc 08/16/2008 12:30PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 977 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/16/2008 06:27PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 853 efc 08/16/2008 07:08PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 886 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/16/2008 07:24PM
  Re: Notification of Interested Parties 913 John J. Lentini, CFEI 08/15/2008 09:16PM
  Re: Contract Clause 816 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/17/2008 11:33AM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 942 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/15/2008 05:02PM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 949 efc 08/10/2008 05:08PM
  Re: Presumption of Innocence 2215 John J. Lentini, CFEI 08/10/2008 06:18PM
  Re: Presumption of Innocence 908 efc 08/10/2008 07:49PM
  Re: Presumption of Innocence 882 MIJ 08/11/2008 06:57AM
  Re: Presumption of Inncemce 854 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 08/13/2008 02:05PM


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