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Re: A misleading comment
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 27, 2007 06:15PM

Pat

I do not care anymore. You believe what you want and I will do the same. I tried working with you to develop some type of wording or idea that would be acceptable to you and the others intent without having the document shoved down my throat. It just seems there will always be at least two different thoughts on this subject.

No matter what I find as to a definition as to the Standard of Care you will not agree until it meets what your interpretation of the definition should be. You are inferring that the definition for the “Standard of Care” that appears in the Black’s Law Dictionary, only relates to the medical profession. If that is your opinion, fine with me. All you have to do is look at the one accepted by engineers and you will find it is right in line with the medical. I can not understand why fire investigation is different from the rest of the world.

Pat, I though you may be right so I had sever people look at what I typed from the Online Ethics Center against what you said I typed in misquoting them. You said, “Then you proceeded to misquote even the Online Ethics Center misquote.” They found not one word difference from what I typed and the definition from the Online Ethics Center, other than I did not include the references.

Pat do you agree to the following:

That the Standard of Care for a profession is based by the courts, as represented under our law, on the procedures (methodology) used by a professional that is supported by a responsible body of similar professionals?

For the person to violate the Standard of Care for a profession he or she would need to act below that degree of care which a reasonably prudent person should exercise under same or similar circumstances?

Do you believe that if the person is found to act with that degree of care which a reasonably prudent person should exercise under same or similar circumstances they can not be negligent?

Do you really believe that a good standard of care for our profession is a document that the publisher states, they do not independently test, evaluate, or verify the accuracy of any information or the soundness of any judgments contained within the document, that they make no guaranty or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of any information published in the document, and the person using the document should rely on his or her own independent judgment or, as appropriate, seek the advice of a competent professional in determining the exercise of reasonable care in any given circumstances. Now leave me see, we have a document that the contents are not test, evaluate, or verify in it’s accuracy, that there is no guaranty or warranty as to the accuracy or completeness, and I as the user have the responsibility to use my own independent judgment or, as appropriate, seek the advice of a competent professional in determining the exercise of reasonable care. I am not say this is 921 but it is what NFPA is saying, so do I want to put my livelihood on the line knowing this information.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 2043 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 03:25PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1199 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/26/2007 08:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:32PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1059 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1243 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:42PM
  A misleading comment 1109 PMK140 02/27/2007 01:37PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1112 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:10PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1127 PMK140 02/27/2007 04:57PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1119 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 06:15PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1081 SJAvato 02/27/2007 07:16PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 1163 PMK140 02/28/2007 07:59PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 970 SJAvato 03/01/2007 12:50PM
  Re: A misleading comment 986 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:31PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1076 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:00AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 993 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 981 MIJ 02/28/2007 02:13PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1017 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:15PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 964 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 05:34PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1118 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 987 PMK140 02/28/2007 06:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:59PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 948 PMK140 02/28/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1583 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:07PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1481 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/28/2007 10:29PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 974 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:19AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 969 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:59AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 1182 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/02/2007 09:14AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 920 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 09:38AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 992 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1015 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:44PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1062 PMK140 02/28/2007 10:14PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1090 PMK140 02/28/2007 11:17PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1225 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:17AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 936 PMK140 03/01/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1159 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1001 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1309 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:48PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 964 MIJ 02/28/2007 07:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1000 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1014 ssklar 03/01/2007 06:20PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1097 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 929 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:38PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1565 Tony La Palio 03/02/2007 06:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 896 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 07:21PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 997 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/05/2007 03:42AM


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