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Re: A misleading comment
Posted by: SJAvato (IP Logged)
Date: February 27, 2007 07:16PM

Pat, a couple of issues that I would like to point out from the definitions quoted:

1. “Standard of care. In the law of negligence,..." this first part of the definition suggests that the evaluation of "standard of care" is a retroactive or historical evaluation, since some claim of negligence must have been raised. The actions will be evaluated, in retrospect, against what a reasonably prudent person would have done under the same or similar circumstances. Arguably, we can say that if 921 is the "standard of care" (SoC) we will apply its tenets before an allegation of negligence can be raised, and therefore avoid that claim. The way I read this issue is that, while 921 should be followed in principle and practice, it does not prevent us (for example) from disagreeing on the origin and cause of a fire and one of us being accused of negligence and a failure to follow the SoC - 921. But applying the principles of 921 does not necessarily mean that every investigator will arrive at the same answer - perhaps neither are negligent, and perhaps neither violated the SoC. This is my only fear when it comes to calling 921 a "Standard" or "Standard of Care" - that it will be used (inappropriately in my opinion) to suppress dissenting opinion.

2. “Standard. Stability, general recognition, and conformity to established practice… A type, model, or combination of elements accepted as correct or perfect." - except for the "perfect" term, I'll agree that 921 is as currently correct as our profession and current knowledge allows. But, it is clearly not perfect and I believe never will be. Once it's perfect, we won't need to conduct any further testing or research and we'll stagnate.

The other problem with some of the discussions, especially in court, regarding what a reasonably prudent person (more PC than the reasonable "man") would do is that the court only considers what a small sample of the community would have done, and that segment usually disagrees with each other. You say "a reasonably prudent fire investigator would have done X" and I say "a reasonably prudent fire investigator, and I believe that I am one, would have done Y" - opposing experts and a very small sample on which to decide reasonableness - and one will be "right", one will be "wrong" but perhaps neither were. If your testimony is excluded, or your side loses the case, does it mean that you were actually wrong or "unreasonably imprudent"?

Steve



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 2043 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 03:25PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1199 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/26/2007 08:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:32PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1059 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1243 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:42PM
  A misleading comment 1109 PMK140 02/27/2007 01:37PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1112 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:10PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1127 PMK140 02/27/2007 04:57PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1119 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 06:15PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1080 SJAvato 02/27/2007 07:16PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 1163 PMK140 02/28/2007 07:59PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 970 SJAvato 03/01/2007 12:50PM
  Re: A misleading comment 986 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:31PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1076 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:00AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 993 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 981 MIJ 02/28/2007 02:13PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1017 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:15PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 964 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 05:34PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1118 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 987 PMK140 02/28/2007 06:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1033 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:59PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 948 PMK140 02/28/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1583 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:07PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1481 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/28/2007 10:29PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 974 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:19AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 969 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:59AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 1182 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/02/2007 09:14AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 920 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 09:38AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 992 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1015 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:44PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1062 PMK140 02/28/2007 10:14PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1090 PMK140 02/28/2007 11:17PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1225 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:17AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 936 PMK140 03/01/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1159 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1001 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1309 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:48PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 964 MIJ 02/28/2007 07:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1000 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1014 ssklar 03/01/2007 06:20PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1097 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 929 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:38PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1565 Tony La Palio 03/02/2007 06:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 896 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 07:21PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 997 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/05/2007 03:42AM


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