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Re: A misleading comment
Posted by: SJAvato (IP Logged)
Date: February 27, 2007 07:16PM

Pat, a couple of issues that I would like to point out from the definitions quoted:

1. “Standard of care. In the law of negligence,..." this first part of the definition suggests that the evaluation of "standard of care" is a retroactive or historical evaluation, since some claim of negligence must have been raised. The actions will be evaluated, in retrospect, against what a reasonably prudent person would have done under the same or similar circumstances. Arguably, we can say that if 921 is the "standard of care" (SoC) we will apply its tenets before an allegation of negligence can be raised, and therefore avoid that claim. The way I read this issue is that, while 921 should be followed in principle and practice, it does not prevent us (for example) from disagreeing on the origin and cause of a fire and one of us being accused of negligence and a failure to follow the SoC - 921. But applying the principles of 921 does not necessarily mean that every investigator will arrive at the same answer - perhaps neither are negligent, and perhaps neither violated the SoC. This is my only fear when it comes to calling 921 a "Standard" or "Standard of Care" - that it will be used (inappropriately in my opinion) to suppress dissenting opinion.

2. “Standard. Stability, general recognition, and conformity to established practice… A type, model, or combination of elements accepted as correct or perfect." - except for the "perfect" term, I'll agree that 921 is as currently correct as our profession and current knowledge allows. But, it is clearly not perfect and I believe never will be. Once it's perfect, we won't need to conduct any further testing or research and we'll stagnate.

The other problem with some of the discussions, especially in court, regarding what a reasonably prudent person (more PC than the reasonable "man") would do is that the court only considers what a small sample of the community would have done, and that segment usually disagrees with each other. You say "a reasonably prudent fire investigator would have done X" and I say "a reasonably prudent fire investigator, and I believe that I am one, would have done Y" - opposing experts and a very small sample on which to decide reasonableness - and one will be "right", one will be "wrong" but perhaps neither were. If your testimony is excluded, or your side loses the case, does it mean that you were actually wrong or "unreasonably imprudent"?

Steve



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 2049 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 03:25PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1202 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/26/2007 08:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1037 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:32PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1062 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1245 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:42PM
  A misleading comment 1111 PMK140 02/27/2007 01:37PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1114 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:10PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1128 PMK140 02/27/2007 04:57PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1122 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 06:15PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1084 SJAvato 02/27/2007 07:16PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 1164 PMK140 02/28/2007 07:59PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 973 SJAvato 03/01/2007 12:50PM
  Re: A misleading comment 989 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:31PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1079 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:00AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 995 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 985 MIJ 02/28/2007 02:13PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:15PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 967 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 05:34PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1121 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 989 PMK140 02/28/2007 06:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1036 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:59PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 949 PMK140 02/28/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1586 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:07PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1482 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/28/2007 10:29PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 978 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:19AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 971 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:59AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 1182 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/02/2007 09:14AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 923 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 09:38AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 996 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1017 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:44PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1065 PMK140 02/28/2007 10:14PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1072 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1090 PMK140 02/28/2007 11:17PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1228 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:17AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 937 PMK140 03/01/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1162 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1007 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1311 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:48PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 966 MIJ 02/28/2007 07:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1003 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1020 ssklar 03/01/2007 06:20PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1101 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 932 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:38PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1568 Tony La Palio 03/02/2007 06:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 897 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 07:21PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1000 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/05/2007 03:42AM


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