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Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 28, 2007 04:15PM

I am glad you think so highly of our judicial system, I would bet based on experience out there many people agree with you. What you read was a bench approved jury instruction that was agreed upon in 1986 with the words structural engineer being replaced by fire investigator. This came from a paper presented by a structural engineer.

The statement was used by Dr. Joshua Kardon in his presentation at the Online Ethics Center 1999 International Conference on Ethics in Engineering and Computer Science. I understand he might not be up to some of our standards but he is a structural engineer that has been in continuous practice since 1973 and established Joshua B. Kardon + Company in 1978. He has the following degrees, B.S., Civil Engineering, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY, 1971, M.S., Civil Engineering, University of California, Berkeley, CA, 1997, and a Ph.D., Civil Engineering, University of California, Berkeley, CA, 2003. The fact that a professional like this used that information and the fact that it is considered to be a bunch approved jury instruction would really make me hesitate to call it voodoo.

Gerald your statement, “The idea of setting a criterion based on what local "reputable" investigators do is a bit scary,” surprises me a little. Is this not what you and others are saying when it comes to determining a standard of care for our profession. Is not the idea that a criterion (standard) for accepting 921 as the standard of care for fire investigators being put forth by “reputable” investigators? Should the rest of us consider that scary?

For once I was starting to kind of agree with the thought process of how one is determined a standard of care for a profession and you insinuate it is like voodoo. Of all people, because of where I live, I am familiar with voodoo. Believe me I respect voodoo more and you know. You are almost right about the shaman (spiritualist, medium, sage). Here it is the high priestess that sets the standard of care for voodoo.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 2049 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 03:25PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1203 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/26/2007 08:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1038 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:32PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1062 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1245 Jim Mazerat 02/26/2007 09:42PM
  A misleading comment 1111 PMK140 02/27/2007 01:37PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1114 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 03:10PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1128 PMK140 02/27/2007 04:57PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1122 Jim Mazerat 02/27/2007 06:15PM
  Re: A misleading comment 1085 SJAvato 02/27/2007 07:16PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 1164 PMK140 02/28/2007 07:59PM
  Re: A misleading comment Answer ot Steve's question. 973 SJAvato 03/01/2007 12:50PM
  Re: A misleading comment 989 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:31PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1080 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:00AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 995 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 986 MIJ 02/28/2007 02:13PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:15PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 967 Gerald Hurst 02/28/2007 05:34PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1121 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 989 PMK140 02/28/2007 06:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1037 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 06:59PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 949 PMK140 02/28/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1587 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:07PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1483 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/28/2007 10:29PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 978 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:19AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 971 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:59AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 1184 John J. Lentini, CFEI 03/02/2007 09:14AM
  Re: Access to cases on the standard of care www.dauberttracker.com 923 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 09:38AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 996 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1017 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:44PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1066 PMK140 02/28/2007 10:14PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1072 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 11:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1091 PMK140 02/28/2007 11:17PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1228 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 10:17AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 937 PMK140 03/01/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1162 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1007 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 01:19PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1311 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 04:48PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 966 MIJ 02/28/2007 07:03PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1003 Jim Mazerat 02/28/2007 09:08PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1020 ssklar 03/01/2007 06:20PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1102 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:35PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 933 Jim Mazerat 03/01/2007 06:38PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1569 Tony La Palio 03/02/2007 06:49PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 897 Jim Mazerat 03/02/2007 07:21PM
  Re: Standard of Care Requirements for Fire Investigators 1002 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 03/05/2007 03:42AM


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