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Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty
Posted by: PMK140 (IP Logged)
Date: February 16, 2007 04:30PM

The following proposal was submitted to the 921 technical committee and was rejected. Submissions of public comments to the committee on this proposal are encouraged.

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Report on Proposals Log #170

RECOMMENDATION: Edit text as indicated. Move the edited Section 18.6 and following subsections through 18.6.2 to the end of Chapter 4 Methodology.

8.6 Opinions - Level of Confidence. When forming opinions from hypotheses about fires or explosions, the investigator should follow principles for the level of confidence in those opinions. Three general levels of confidence have significance with respect to opinions:

(1) Possible. At this level of confidence, the hypothesis can be demonstrated to be feasible but cannot be declared probable. If two or more hypotheses are 50 percent or less or equally likely, then the level of certainty must be "possible".

(2) Probable. This level of confidence the hypothesis can be demonstrated as to being more likely true than not. At this level of certainty, the likelihood of the hypothesis being true is greater than 50 percent.

(3) Certain. At this level of confidence, the hypothesis can be demonstrated to be true beyond any doubt or reasonable argument to the contrary.

No matter what the level of confidence in an opinion expressed by an investigator (possible, probable, or certain), it has been established by common and case law that any expressed opinion should be held "to a reasonable degree of certainty." [See Jordan v. Bero, [158] W. Va. [28], 210 S.E.2d 618 (1974)]. In fire investigation litigation cases, the courts have frequently required that such opinions be held to a reasonable degree of scientific, engineering, fire investigation, or professional certainty. For example, even if the opinion is that an expressed hypothesis is only possible, that opinion of possibility must itself be held to a reasonable degree of certainty in order to be properly expressed in a litigation case.

18.6.1 Use of the scientific method dictates that any hypothesis formed from an analysis of the data collected in an investigation must stand the challenge of reasonable examination by the investigator testing his or her hypothesis or by the examination of others. (See Chapter 4.) [See Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 113 S. Ct. 2786 (1993).]

18.6.2 Ultimately, the decision as to the level of confidence in data collected in the investigation or any hypothesis drawn from an analysis of the data rests with the investigator. Therefore, it is incumbent upon that investigator to have properly used the scientific method in reaching and proving that hypothesis. The final opinion is only as good as the sufficiency and quality of the data used in reaching that opinion, the propriety of the analysis and hypothesis development, and adequate testing of the hypothesis.

New Section 18.6 Opinions: Edit the current last two sentences of 18.6.2 and renumber as Section 18.6 Opinions.

18.6 Opinions. If the level of confidence in the opinion is only "possible" or "suspected," the cause should be listed as undetermined. Only when the level of confidence is considered probable or certain should a fire cause be classified as accidental, incendiary, or natural.

SUBMITTER SUBSTANTIATION: The current section should apply not only to opinions about cause, but to all opinions formed by investigators during the course of a fire investigation. As such it should be moved to the Methodology Chapter.

The proposed editing and new text more properly and fully explains the levels of confidence which an investigator should hold about all investigative opinions.

COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject

COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Although the committee believes that the current text needs modification, the committee does not believe this proposal resolves the issue.

Pat Kennedy, CFEI, CFPS, MIFireE
Fire and Explosion Analyst
Sarasota, Florida
[www.kennedy-fire.com]



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Acceptable Level of Certainty 1671 Jim Mazerat 02/03/2007 09:47PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1053 Jim Mazerat 02/04/2007 12:11PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 919 MIJ 02/04/2007 02:37PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1090 Jim Mazerat 02/04/2007 05:12PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1000 jmorse 02/04/2007 07:15PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 941 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 10:37AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1010 MIJ 02/05/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 949 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 11:09AM
  One more comment 948 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 11:13AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1036 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:55AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 887 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 02:59PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 882 SJAvato 02/08/2007 03:59PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 05:15PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 917 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 05:21PM
  Define "probable" 987 Gerald Hurst 02/14/2007 01:05PM
  Re: Define "probable" 1007 PMK140 02/14/2007 04:12PM
  Re: Define "probable" 947 Gerald Hurst 02/14/2007 10:20PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 951 jbflanigan 02/05/2007 04:22PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 886 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 12:13PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 855 MIJ 02/08/2007 06:02PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 983 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 954 MIJ 02/09/2007 09:47AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 894 jgmcfps 02/09/2007 02:12PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 904 MIJ 02/09/2007 03:09PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 899 jgmcfps 02/09/2007 04:50PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 897 firecop5002 02/09/2007 08:17PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 874 Jim Mazerat 02/09/2007 10:01PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 826 dahebert 02/10/2007 08:12AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 925 Jim Mazerat 02/09/2007 08:17PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1047 jgmcfps 02/10/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 877 Jim Mazerat 02/10/2007 04:36PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1005 jgmcfps 02/11/2007 08:16AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 969 Jim Mazerat 02/11/2007 09:10AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1170 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/16/2007 02:48PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1141 PMK140 02/16/2007 04:30PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 973 Jim Mazerat 02/16/2007 07:11PM


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