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Re: Absolutely Incredible
Posted by:
Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: October 25, 2006 09:19PM
John:
Take it one step at a time. I hate being misrepresented. Lets have those reviewing this post read what I said compared to what you are telling them I said.
You hit the nail right on the head. A consensus is only a specific group involved in that action. In the case of 921 it is only those who can afford to attend the general meeting that get to vote. Yes, can anyone suggest changes, yes they can. But the true question is what percentage of the fire investigation community get to vote on the document. The document is a consensus of those on the committee and those attending the general meeting. Is it a consensus of the fire investigation community in the United States, I do not think so. To me it is not even a consensus of the entire membership of the NFPA but just a select few.
When you couple this with the fact that the NFPA believes it is necessary to place, what I would call a strong disclaimer in their documents as to the accuracy of the content, I have concerns. I am not negative to the document itself but believe it should be used as it is designed by the organization developing the document. I believe it is a great document and is improving with each cycle and should be continued.
If everything is so up and up why the personal attack.
You said, “Attending the annual meeting is almost meaningless. By the time a new edition of NFPA 921 comes up for a vote at the annual meeting, the issues have all been resolved.” Is what you are saying issues are decided by just the committee members?
Am I right, that up till the meeting the only persons that can vote as to what content of the document to accept or reject are the members of the committee. If this is not right, tell me where I am wrong.
Is not the membership to the committee limited by the National Fire Protection Association. Am I wrong on this?
Is not the membership of the principle members that can vote limited by the National Fire Protection Association. Am I wrong one this?
What percentage of proposed changes were accepted by the committee without any alterations?
When the committee changes the text of the proposal, do they contact the person making the proposal to see if the changes are agreed to by the person generating the proposal?
John, I know the true answers to these questions, are you honest enough to answer them with a yes, no or a number?
If you are going to challenge me do not play with words, be straight and completely accruate.