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Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 08, 2007 08:10PM

I agree, “certain” may not be the correct word to use in describing a level. This is one reason I believe assigning a percentage to a word is no a good idea. If you leave it the way you said it, “to be without doubt” I have no problem with that wording. If I have disproved all other hypothesis except one then I am certain on my conclusion based on all facts use in the evaluation or testing of that hypothesis. Remember the level of certainty or confidence is my opinion as to the weight I am placing on my conclusion being correct.

Does anyone not feel the conclusion they arrive at is not correct without doubt in their mine? I just am one of those that believe you either know the cause or you do not. If you need to say that your call only has slightly more than a 50% chance of being correct, I am not sure you should be making a call. To me this classification system and level of certainty demeans our profession. We want to say our profession is based on science but the method used in validating our finds is one that allows us to determine the cause of a fire with only a chance of 50% of this opinion being correct. Can you see a finger print expert, a DNA expert, or a ballistics expert saying we have a match and I give my opinion a level of certainty of being 50% correct? How would the judge or jury accept this testimony?



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Acceptable Level of Certainty 1673 Jim Mazerat 02/03/2007 09:47PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1054 Jim Mazerat 02/04/2007 12:11PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 920 MIJ 02/04/2007 02:37PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1091 Jim Mazerat 02/04/2007 05:12PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1002 jmorse 02/04/2007 07:15PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 943 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 10:37AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1013 MIJ 02/05/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 952 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 11:09AM
  One more comment 949 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 11:13AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1038 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:55AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 889 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 02:59PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 884 SJAvato 02/08/2007 03:59PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1024 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 05:15PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 923 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 05:21PM
  Define "probable" 988 Gerald Hurst 02/14/2007 01:05PM
  Re: Define "probable" 1010 PMK140 02/14/2007 04:12PM
  Re: Define "probable" 949 Gerald Hurst 02/14/2007 10:20PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 953 jbflanigan 02/05/2007 04:22PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 887 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 12:13PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 858 MIJ 02/08/2007 06:02PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 986 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 08:10PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 956 MIJ 02/09/2007 09:47AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 896 jgmcfps 02/09/2007 02:12PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 906 MIJ 02/09/2007 03:09PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 901 jgmcfps 02/09/2007 04:50PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 899 firecop5002 02/09/2007 08:17PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 876 Jim Mazerat 02/09/2007 10:01PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 828 dahebert 02/10/2007 08:12AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 928 Jim Mazerat 02/09/2007 08:17PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1049 jgmcfps 02/10/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 879 Jim Mazerat 02/10/2007 04:36PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1007 jgmcfps 02/11/2007 08:16AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 972 Jim Mazerat 02/11/2007 09:10AM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1173 John J. Lentini, CFEI 02/16/2007 02:48PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 1143 PMK140 02/16/2007 04:30PM
  Re: Acceptable Level of Certainty 975 Jim Mazerat 02/16/2007 07:11PM


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