dcarpenter Wrote:
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> As I have previously explained...
>
> An accidental fire can involve human involvement
> with respect to the Fire Cause and how the
> competent ignition source came together with the
> first fuel ignited OR there was no human
> involvement.
>
> For an incendiary fire, there is human involvement
> AND there is intent to initiate a fire where one
> was not going to occur, otherwise.
>
> Thus, the discriminating factor between these two
> hypotheses is the intent of the human involvement.
> There needs to be evidence of human intent. Think
> Incendiary Fire Chapter.
>
> Human intent as a discriminating factor between an
> accidental and incendiary fire is only addressed
> in previous versions of 921 in the Classification
> of the Fire Cause chapter.
>
> Thus, removing this chapter removes the use of
> human intent as evidence of an incendiary fire. So
> how does a Fire Cause with human involvement
> become an incendiary fire without any methodology
> that allows for evidence of human intent to enter
> the analysis and determination?
>
> Unless I am missing something, currently, it would
> appear that any Fire Cause determination with
> human involvement using the current NFPA 921
> methodology will always be an accidental fire.



Thank you

I guess two things.

Never been on the private side, but I thought they did not go that deep into chasing arsonist? More this is what was found at the scene and from the public investigation?

So back to my original Fire scenario:::



After examining the scene,,

A ten gallon plastic container was found in the middle of the room.

Liquid in it tested positive for ignitable liquids.

There was remains of a box of strike anywhere matches found next to the container.

Samples of carpet tested positive for ignitable liquids.

No other competent ignition source was found in the area.

Hypothesis were tested.


Let me add one element::: video shows a person walk into the room with a container.

Pours a liquid on the floor

Strikes a match

Fire starts person leaves.

Does the report and evidence stand on its own?

Let the insurance and police do the rest?

Just wondering if loosing the Classification is the hang up?