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Re: Scene security-Locks
Posted by: SJAvato (IP Logged)
Date: October 20, 2006 12:03PM

This is a good lead-in for what I'm sure would be a lengthy discussion on the consideration of circumstances in determining a fire's origin and cause. I know there are those that would say that you cannot consider circumstances when examining a scene; that the scene must speak for itself. But, a fire occurs within a set of surrounding circumstances that need to be considered for their relevance. Evidence of another crime may help to explain an ignition sequence. Witness or suspect statements may provide some context. I use the example of a trash can fire. If I light my cigarette, drop the match in the trash can and walk away, a fire occurs that looks a certain way. What is different about the scene if I drop the match after being told that I've been fired and walk out of the office cursing everyone and threatening retaliation? The actual fire scene will look the same (in some cases the timeline might be different), but the circumstances surrounding the event are worlds apart. That having been said, investigators need to be extremely cautious in overvaluing circumstances. Take as an example, two businesses owned by the same owner in a rural area with no physical connections and a mile apart. Both buildings are discovered to be on fire almost simultaneously. The two events are inextricably linked; you can't ignore the facts. But it doesn't mean that the owner set the fires (although further investigation is certainly warranted.)



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Scene security-Locks 2494 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/20/2006 10:35AM
  Re: Scene security-Locks 1275 RCox 10/20/2006 10:55AM
  Re: Scene security-Locks 1289 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/20/2006 11:45AM
  Re: Scene security-Locks 1368 SJAvato 10/20/2006 12:03PM
  Re: Scene security-Locks 1232 MIJ 10/20/2006 11:56AM
  Re: Scene security-Locks 1363 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/20/2006 12:44PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1505 PMK140 10/20/2006 02:12PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1305 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/20/2006 02:22PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1424 PMK140 10/20/2006 02:54PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1185 Jim Mazerat 10/20/2006 03:21PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1230 PMK140 10/20/2006 03:44PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1156 Jim Mazerat 10/20/2006 03:57PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1227 Jim Mazerat 10/20/2006 04:22PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1366 SJAvato 10/20/2006 04:28PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1344 PMK140 10/20/2006 04:47PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1187 MIJ 10/20/2006 04:54PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1062 MIJ 10/27/2006 11:15AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1032 MIJ 10/31/2006 05:24PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1105 PMK140 10/31/2006 05:34PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1111 MIJ 10/31/2006 05:51PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1102 dahebert 11/03/2006 09:18AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1088 MIJ 11/03/2006 09:37AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1090 dahebert 11/03/2006 09:47AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1053 MIJ 11/03/2006 11:12AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1070 dahebert 11/03/2006 01:39PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1001 MIJ 11/03/2006 04:06PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1063 ForensicEEnMD 11/16/2006 01:53PM
  Clarification 1245 SJAvato 11/01/2006 10:30AM
  Re: Clarification 1146 PMK140 11/01/2006 02:41PM
  Re: Clarification 1076 MIKE 11/01/2006 04:12PM
  Re: Clarification 1149 SJAvato 11/02/2006 09:51AM
  Re: Clarification 1108 PMK140 11/02/2006 10:10AM
  Re: Clarification 1157 MIJ 11/01/2006 04:45PM
  Re: Clarification 1155 firecop5002 11/02/2006 10:45AM
  Re: Clarification 1077 MIJ 11/02/2006 11:07AM
  Re: Clarification 1010 G Van Doren 11/03/2006 04:26PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1338 firecop5002 10/20/2006 07:18PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1233 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/21/2006 12:16AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1108 SJAvato 10/21/2006 10:05PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1124 PMK140 10/22/2006 07:51AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1176 dahebert 10/23/2006 09:11AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1123 Ray C. Davis, Fire Loss Expert 10/23/2006 12:31PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible Mendacity 1095 PMK140 10/23/2006 01:54PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible Mendacity 1156 MIJ 10/23/2006 02:25PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1110 SJAvato 10/24/2006 11:14AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1165 PMK140 10/21/2006 05:30AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1073 firecop5002 10/24/2006 12:02AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1128 MIJ 10/24/2006 11:45AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1085 Jim Mazerat 10/24/2006 02:19PM
  My two cent worth 1140 jgmcfps 10/24/2006 03:17PM
  Re: My two cent worth 1160 Jim Mazerat 10/24/2006 05:07PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1210 PMK140 10/24/2006 04:05PM
  Re: Freudian Slip? 1073 PMK140 10/24/2006 04:09PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1111 Jim Mazerat 10/24/2006 04:54PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1047 Jim Mazerat 10/24/2006 05:06PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1215 MIJ 10/24/2006 05:17PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1131 PMK140 10/24/2006 05:20PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1133 Jim Mazerat 10/24/2006 06:24PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1055 ssklar 10/24/2006 09:49PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1021 MIJ 10/24/2006 10:57PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1218 MIJ 10/24/2006 11:09PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1095 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 10:02AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1003 MIJ 10/25/2006 10:45AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1109 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 09:59AM
  Re: Question for the Forum Moderator 1196 PMK140 10/25/2006 10:46AM
  Re: Question for the Forum Moderator 1109 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 11:08AM
  Re: Question for the Forum Moderator 1154 Bruce G. Pulver IAAI CFI 10/25/2006 11:18AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1045 MIJ 10/25/2006 10:48AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1049 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 11:20AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1063 MIJ 10/25/2006 11:58AM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1001 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 02:05PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1093 MIJ 10/25/2006 12:01PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1082 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 02:05PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1060 MIJ 10/25/2006 02:29PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1121 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 04:37PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1195 PMK140 10/25/2006 05:04PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1034 PMK140 10/25/2006 05:09PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1137 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 07:48PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1136 PMK140 10/25/2006 08:12PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1156 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 08:45PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1108 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 08:14PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1165 PMK140 10/25/2006 08:30PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1221 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 08:57PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1238 John J. Lentini, CFEI 10/25/2006 08:57PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1196 Jim Mazerat 10/25/2006 09:19PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1096 MIJ 10/25/2006 10:25PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1229 firecop5002 10/27/2006 09:40PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1104 MIJ 10/24/2006 08:46PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1061 firecop5002 10/24/2006 04:54PM
  Re: Absolutely Incredible 1204 MIJ 10/20/2006 03:45PM


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