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Re: Scientific Method
Posted by: J L Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: April 29, 2022 10:11AM

I glade to see the court is using common since. It is my belief that the lack of common since is making 921 irrelevant in some areas. It does not make common since. If one follows what is represented as the scientific method, they are using the POE from the first step. When collecting the data, they are looking at all that is present and eliminating some of the data through the POE as to what is relevant and what is not. If one says they only develop one hypothesis after analyzing the data collected, I would say that person has a bias toward that one hypothesis. When choosing an origin, they are eliminating other areas based on their education, knowledge, and experience. The same is true when it comes to the first fuel ignited and the heat source. When there are multiple hypotheses, the testing process is used to eliminate each. That is the POS of elimination.

I have never understood why the committee and other are so against the logical use in the process of elimination. I understand when it came to incendiary fires where there is no evidence of support for the finding, but when there is supporting evidence that supporting evidence is used in the testing of the hypothesis process. This allows the person to eliminate some, if not all the hypotheses.

The other thing I love is when a person state there is no evidence that allows the formulation of a valid hypothesis and there by the cause is undetermined. This is a personal opinion only. They say it in a way to suggest that if because they did not have sufficient evidence that it does not exist. What they do not understand is that the evidence they believe is insufficient is sufficient for others to make the determination. The other person may have additional evidence that the person making the statement did not consider.

I have taken to inquiring of those working in other professions that use the scientific method as to their thoughts about the use of the POE in their profession. I have yet to find one that does not say the POE is not part of the methodology in using the scientific method. This makes me wonder why fire investigation is different than all these other professions. Are we that special?

Jim Mazerat
Forensic Investigations Group



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Scientific Method 617 rdzimm 04/05/2022 12:11AM
  Re: Scientific Method 393 Rsuninv 04/05/2022 08:39AM
  Re: Scientific Method 337 J L Mazerat 04/05/2022 09:42AM
  Re: Scientific Method 309 dcarpenter 04/26/2022 07:02PM
  Re: Scientific Method 317 J L Mazerat 04/27/2022 08:37AM
  Re: Scientific Method 322 J L Mazerat 04/05/2022 09:11AM
  Re: Scientific Method 311 Chris Bloom, CJBFireConsultant 04/06/2022 06:04PM
  Re: Scientific Method 312 J L Mazerat 04/05/2022 12:21PM
  Re: Scientific Method 274 Fire 04/28/2022 12:00PM
  Re: Scientific Method 293 dcarpenter 04/28/2022 02:35PM
  Re: Scientific Method 279 dcarpenter 04/28/2022 02:37PM
  Re: Scientific Method 273 J L Mazerat 04/29/2022 10:11AM
  Re: Scientific Method 283 Fire 04/29/2022 10:55AM
  Re: Scientific Method 286 dcarpenter 05/02/2022 11:16AM
  Re: Scientific Method 256 J L Mazerat 05/05/2022 08:19AM
  Re: Scientific Method 271 dcarpenter 05/05/2022 09:03AM
  Re: Scientific Method 285 J L Mazerat 05/05/2022 07:07PM
  Re: Scientific Method 269 dcarpenter 05/06/2022 08:42AM
  Re: Scientific Method 264 J L Mazerat 05/06/2022 10:24AM
  Re: Scientific Method 262 dcarpenter 05/06/2022 01:10PM
  Re: Scientific Method 261 J L Mazerat 05/06/2022 03:58PM
  Re: Scientific Method 302 dcarpenter 05/08/2022 12:07PM
  Re: Scientific Method 254 J L Mazerat 05/08/2022 01:17PM
  Re: Scientific Method 260 dcarpenter 05/09/2022 08:09PM
  Re: Scientific Method 296 J L Mazerat 05/10/2022 09:32AM
  Re: Scientific Method 257 dcarpenter 05/10/2022 09:42AM
  Re: Scientific Method 237 dcarpenter 05/10/2022 12:55PM
  Re: Scientific Method 262 J L Mazerat 05/10/2022 03:19PM
  Re: Scientific Method 262 dcarpenter 05/10/2022 03:44PM
  Re: Scientific Method 256 J L Mazerat 05/11/2022 08:17AM
  Re: Scientific Method 249 dcarpenter 05/12/2022 09:39AM
  Re: Scientific Method 246 J L Mazerat 05/12/2022 11:26AM
  Re: Scientific Method 258 dcarpenter 05/12/2022 11:39AM
  Re: Scientific Method 252 J L Mazerat 05/12/2022 07:00PM
  Re: Scientific Method 249 dcarpenter 05/12/2022 07:51PM
  Re: Scientific Method 250 J L Mazerat 05/13/2022 07:33AM
  Re: Scientific Method 259 J L Mazerat 05/10/2022 03:06PM
  Re: Scientific Method 235 dcarpenter 05/10/2022 03:27PM
  Re: Scientific Method 247 J L Mazerat 05/11/2022 08:23AM
  Re: Scientific Method 246 dcarpenter 05/12/2022 10:09AM
  Re: Scientific Method 253 J L Mazerat 05/12/2022 11:33AM
  Re: Scientific Method 243 dcarpenter 05/12/2022 11:42AM
  Re: Scientific Method 256 J L Mazerat 05/12/2022 02:22PM
  Re: Scientific Method 260 SJAvato 06/30/2022 12:09PM
  Re: Scientific Method 241 Fire 07/01/2022 03:05AM
  Re: Scientific Method 251 J L Mazerat 07/01/2022 08:44AM
  Re: Scientific Method 243 dcarpenter 07/01/2022 01:43PM
  Re: Scientific Method 255 dcarpenter 07/01/2022 02:12PM
  Re: Scientific Method 224 dcarpenter 07/01/2022 02:15PM
  Re: Scientific Method 235 SJAvato 07/01/2022 03:39PM
  Re: Scientific Method 244 J L Mazerat 07/02/2022 10:43AM
  Re: Scientific Method 239 dcarpenter 07/05/2022 09:00AM
  Re: Scientific Method 237 SJAvato 07/06/2022 08:19AM
  Re: Scientific Method 230 dcarpenter 07/06/2022 09:17AM
  Re: Scientific Method 242 J L Mazerat 07/06/2022 10:07AM
  Re: Scientific Method 226 dcarpenter 07/06/2022 10:31AM
  Re: Scientific Method 252 J L Mazerat 07/09/2022 07:26PM
  Re: Scientific Method 255 dcarpenter 07/10/2022 03:18PM
  Re: Scientific Method 225 dcarpenter 07/11/2022 08:30AM
  Re: Scientific Method 259 J L Mazerat 07/11/2022 01:09PM
  Re: Scientific Method 229 dcarpenter 07/11/2022 02:57PM
  Re: Scientific Method 246 SJAvato 07/18/2022 01:36PM
  Re: Scientific Method 298 J L Mazerat 07/06/2022 09:55AM
  Re: Scientific Method 228 dcarpenter 07/06/2022 10:40AM
  Re: Scientific Method 226 dcarpenter 07/05/2022 09:36AM
  Re: Scientific Method 219 dcarpenter 07/06/2022 08:50AM
  Re: Scientific Method 234 J L Mazerat 07/02/2022 09:36AM
  Re: Scientific Method 257 dcarpenter 07/07/2022 12:36PM


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