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Re: National Geographic: Forensics under fire 10/12 at 10PM
Posted by:
RCox (IP Logged)
Date: October 18, 2006 09:51AM
Even when the first investigator arrives, often times as the fire is still smoldering, the fire scene has been significantly altered. The alteration may be from the fire damage alone, or from the fire crews doing what is necessary to safely and effectively extinguish the fire. That is why investigators have to take the time, get dirty, and do an effective scene reconstruction to get the scene as close as possible to its original state before the fire. Along with this, it needs to be thoroughly documented with sketches, photos, etc.
I have had investigations where I was the 3rd or 4th person to investigate the fire and with previous alterations it makes the task very difficult. That is why we have to rely on previous investigations and their documentation to find out many unknowns. The problem I run into is the lack of documentation done by previous investigators at the scene. I have had scenes where the building was cleared to the ground by the use of heavy equipment by investigators there before me, yet not one person could describe the electrical system or where any arcing occurred because those things were not documented. It can be very frustrating.
At the end of the day, if the scene is so altered due to previous investigations or fire damage, and it cannot be investigated from previous documentation, you can still come up with the fire cause classification of undetermined.
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