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Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis.
Posted by: dsmith (IP Logged)
Date: January 21, 2007 04:14PM

Jim,

What you seems to be saying in differnet terms is the old axiom in this profession, that evryu fire is unique and the investigator relies on his knowledge training and experience to make and support the determination. This is called inductive reasoning, and has permeated our profession for years. Most importnatly though, it doesn't meete to days standards for an expert (ala Daubert) and the Scientific Method.

"It's not what I beleive, it's what I can prove" is a great line from the movie "A Few Good Men." It's also sound advice for fire investigators today. The most important part of relying on the Scientific Method as the accepted methodology for fire investigation is that the results of testing ones hypothesis produces valid and reliable results. Precisely this means that different investigators at different times, relying on the same set of facts using the same methodology (and same knowledge base) SHOULD find similar results (or conclusions).

In my experience, different conclusinos most often result from selective use of the certain and not all facts, but mostly the improper methodology (and improper analysis for a variety of reasons), poor training, and failing to have any proof or evidence of deductive reasoning (e.g. testing the hypothesis) for the claim being made.

If the claim being made does not have any proof, or cannot be reproduced, or in any way be tested to ensure similar results, the claim is not supported and fails. Unfortunately, what often happens is that someone makes a (negative) claim in the absence of proof states their claim is true because it cannot be disproven. This is logical reasoning fallacy called "arguing from ignorance" or the fallacy of "shifting burden of proof." It requires the skeptic to the claim to do the work to try disprove the negative hypothesis which is impossible in many cases.

The inability to disprove a claim, particularly a negative claim, is not the same this as proving it (the claim) true.

Denny Smith



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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1257 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:17PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1313 Gerald Hurst 01/21/2007 09:30PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1043 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 12:12PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1181 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 02:36PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1189 Gerald Hurst 01/22/2007 04:35PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1114 MIJ 01/22/2007 05:36PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1138 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:36PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1071 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:05PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1200 MIKE 01/22/2007 07:55PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1240 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:12PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1055 MIJ 01/22/2007 11:33PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1063 Jim Mazerat 01/23/2007 10:31AM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1282 Gerald Hurst 01/11/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1136 PMK140 01/11/2007 11:41AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1082 cda 01/12/2007 03:00AM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1078 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 11:48AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1304 dsmith 01/21/2007 04:14PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1221 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:34PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1050 MIJ 01/22/2007 02:06PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 973 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 02:53PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1234 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:41PM
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  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1200 MIJ 01/16/2007 10:06AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1094 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 06:33AM
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  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1190 MIJ 01/17/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1211 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 11:54AM
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  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1245 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 04:31PM
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  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1253 SJAvato 01/22/2007 12:56PM
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