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Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: January 17, 2007 04:31PM

You criticized some of the people that were specific in the way they test their hypothesis to the point of saying, “laughable ways some of the posters test hypothesis.” You suggest there should be a specific standard for testing a hypothesis, but when ask the specific steps you would suggest you only say, “I make every attempt to disprove my hypothesis.” You can only disprove a hypothesis. Because an individual’s testing of his or her hypothesis fails to disprove the hypothesis does not in itself mean the hypothesis is correct. You propose 921 be the standard for fire investigators, but John tried to explain it to you that this document states, “The guidance provided in NFPA 921 puts two conditions on hypothesis testing: It must use deductive reasoning, and it must not violate the laws of physics or contradict any valid data that has been collected.” Are you now not satisfied that this document should be the standard applied to all fire investigators. Are you disputing the information contained in the document. I believe John’s statement is very clear when he stated, “There is no way to specify how to test each of the dozens of hypotheses and sub-hypotheses that are developed in the course of a fire investigation. The current edition of 921 does not do so, nor will the 2008 edition.”

I asked you a simple question, which was, “Do you have specific ways a hypothesis should be tested? I asked you to list these steps specifically. You seem not to want to answer this question with a direct yes or no answer and list the specific steps. I asked you the following three questions, but again you did not chose to respond. “My question what person or group would develop this method to be used? Would this be a strict step by step procedure to be followed? Would these steps be based on the conventional wisdom in fire investigations as to how one should test a hypothesis?”

I have no problem with you having an opinion, but I really wish you would stop making detrimental comments about what others post if you are unwilling to put specific suggestion forward for others to evaluate.



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  Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 2254 Russaus 01/11/2007 08:08AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1321 cda 01/11/2007 08:38AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1244 Russaus 01/11/2007 08:49AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1222 cda 01/11/2007 10:05AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1319 dcarpenter 01/11/2007 11:38AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1242 greggorbett 01/12/2007 02:58AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1238 dsmith 01/21/2007 03:47PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1261 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:17PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1316 Gerald Hurst 01/21/2007 09:30PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1132 MIJ 01/21/2007 10:28PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1046 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 12:12PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1222 Gerald Hurst 01/22/2007 01:41PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1184 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 02:36PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1109 Gerald Hurst 01/22/2007 04:15PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1055 MIJ 01/22/2007 04:17PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1191 Gerald Hurst 01/22/2007 04:35PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1118 MIJ 01/22/2007 05:36PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1140 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:36PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1075 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:05PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1202 MIKE 01/22/2007 07:55PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1245 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 06:12PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1059 MIJ 01/22/2007 11:33PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1068 Jim Mazerat 01/23/2007 10:31AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1168 PMK140 01/11/2007 11:35AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1224 dcarpenter 01/11/2007 11:15AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1251 dcarpenter 01/11/2007 11:13AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1057 cda 01/11/2007 12:12PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1303 dcarpenter 01/11/2007 01:14PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1138 dcarpenter 01/11/2007 10:39AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1285 Gerald Hurst 01/11/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1138 PMK140 01/11/2007 11:41AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1084 cda 01/12/2007 03:00AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1111 MIJ 01/12/2007 07:02AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1105 cda 01/12/2007 08:17AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1168 MIJ 01/12/2007 09:02AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1158 MIJ 01/12/2007 09:07AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1082 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 11:48AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1308 dsmith 01/21/2007 04:14PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1224 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:34PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1144 SJAvato 01/22/2007 12:51PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1054 MIJ 01/22/2007 02:06PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 975 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 02:53PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1028 cda 01/12/2007 08:20AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1204 MIJ 01/12/2007 09:30AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1096 cda 01/12/2007 09:54AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1132 MIJ 01/12/2007 10:00AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1241 Jim Mazerat 01/12/2007 10:26AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1307 The Oracle 01/16/2007 07:02AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1227 dsmith 01/21/2007 03:40PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1237 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:41PM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1227 Tim Pullen 01/16/2007 08:40AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1203 MIJ 01/16/2007 10:06AM
  Re: Back to basics – testing your hypothesis. 1097 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 06:33AM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1305 John J. Lentini, CFEI 01/17/2007 07:42AM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1193 MIJ 01/17/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1214 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 11:54AM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1144 MIJ 01/17/2007 03:52PM
  Re: Back to basics –MIJ: Please give it a rest 1247 Jim Mazerat 01/17/2007 04:31PM
  Re: Back to basics Still can't rest 1154 MIJ 01/17/2007 06:20PM
  Re: Back to basics Still can't rest 1287 Jim Mazerat 01/18/2007 10:32AM
  Re: Back to basics - grammar police 1253 jmorse 01/21/2007 03:45PM
  Re: Back to basics - grammar police 1046 Jim Mazerat 01/21/2007 07:18PM
  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1134 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 12:20PM
  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1258 SJAvato 01/22/2007 12:56PM
  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1075 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 12:58PM
  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1165 MIJ 01/22/2007 02:23PM
  Re: Testing a hypothesis 1100 Jim Mazerat 01/22/2007 02:46PM


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