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Re: So no causes what do yall think.
Posted by: John Lentini (IP Logged)
Date: June 23, 2021 04:18PM
There is a whole chapter on Cause Determination still in 921.
Proposal to delete submitted by the OSAC Subcommittee on Fire and Explosion Investigations
The committee statement is inconsistent with the stated scope of NFPA 921. Instead of treating incident reports like NFIRS as outside the scope of the document as stated in 1.1, Chapter 20 is dedicated to completing such incident reports. Classifying incidents is outside the scope of NFPA 921. As such Chapter 20 should be omitted. Each of the incident reports included in 20.3.1 have their own instructions which are generally inconsistent with the instructions in Chapter 20. Beyond being outside the scope of 921, Chapter 20 will create confusion for users of the fire incident report formats.
The Technical Committee agreed.
Committee Statement
The scope of NFPA 921 specifically states that the completion of reports for the United States National Fire Incident Reporting System (NFIRS) are outside the scope of this guide. However, the classification of incidents is a topic that is addressed by various entities for various reasons. As such, there is a need to provide guidance on where incident classification information can be found and to clarify that incident classification is not the same as cause determination.
The technical committee has fielded debates over Chapter 20 text over the past editions and has determined that the Chapter creates more issues than benefits. Since incident classification is addressed in other standards and is dependent on jurisdiction/organization use, providing specific definitions for incident classifications in NFPA 921 is not necessary.
The proposal to delete Chapter 20 passed 28-3.
Proposal to delete submitted by the OSAC Subcommittee on Fire and Explosion Investigations
The committee statement is inconsistent with the stated scope of NFPA 921. Instead of treating incident reports like NFIRS as outside the scope of the document as stated in 1.1, Chapter 20 is dedicated to completing such incident reports. Classifying incidents is outside the scope of NFPA 921. As such Chapter 20 should be omitted. Each of the incident reports included in 20.3.1 have their own instructions which are generally inconsistent with the instructions in Chapter 20. Beyond being outside the scope of 921, Chapter 20 will create confusion for users of the fire incident report formats.
The Technical Committee agreed.
Committee Statement
The scope of NFPA 921 specifically states that the completion of reports for the United States National Fire Incident Reporting System (NFIRS) are outside the scope of this guide. However, the classification of incidents is a topic that is addressed by various entities for various reasons. As such, there is a need to provide guidance on where incident classification information can be found and to clarify that incident classification is not the same as cause determination.
The technical committee has fielded debates over Chapter 20 text over the past editions and has determined that the Chapter creates more issues than benefits. Since incident classification is addressed in other standards and is dependent on jurisdiction/organization use, providing specific definitions for incident classifications in NFPA 921 is not necessary.
The proposal to delete Chapter 20 passed 28-3.
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