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Re: So no causes what do yall think.
Posted by:
cda (IP Logged)
Date: July 20, 2021 08:00AM
dcarpenter Wrote:
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> "Data" is information that can be documented and
> verified. "Evidence" is "data" that is both
> relevant and reliable in a specific context. The
> application of the SM requires evidence to
> formulate valid hypotheses, as well as, to
> disprove hypotheses.
>
> If a fire investigators finds data that may be
> reliable as evidence of intent and without the
> cause classification chapter (i.e., think intent),
> then how is this data relevant to the fire
> investigation and the SM? Does this render the
> evidence in the incendiary chapter useless? If so,
> then it should be eliminated too.
>
> So, are we left with no ability to determine a
> fire cause that can be determined to be an
> incendiary fire?
>
> It seems like the fire investigation community is
> "kicking the can down the road" with respect to
> the issue of intent and any responsibility to
> determine an incendiary fire. If so, then we have
> just pushed the limitation of evidence of intent
> onto another community. Do they have the reliable
> means to make a determination of an incendiary
> fire that the fire investigation community cannot?
Does it depend on the side of the fence you are on??
Public,
have to work in the constraints of the arson laws. Plus, sometimes fire investigates the fire. If determined in some manner it was arson, sometimes it gets passed to the police to make the legal case. Fire just backs up the scene investigation.
Private, which I have not done,,
seems almost the same. They investigate the scene. Document it, and submit findings to someone, to decide if they are going to pay the claim. If someone torched it, the report should support that.