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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: January 31, 2007 03:23PM

Presently the classification being discussed are not part of the NIFRS program. The question is then, why is the investigation community lagging behind the suppression community when it comes to the classification of the cause of ignition. Some say the investigators take the classification one step past that of the suppression section. That may be but are we attempting to take it too far.

Presently, the system being used by the fire service (suppression) have the follow classifications for the cause of ignition. They are Intentional, Unintentional, Failure of equipment or heat source, Act of nature, Cause under investigation, and Cause undetermined after investigation. As an addition to this section they have two sections to add information as to Factors and Human Factors Contributing to Ignition. The investigation section, if an investigation was conducted, will addresses specific areas dealing with a deliberately set fire, such as Case Status, Availability of Material First Ignited, Suspected Motivation Factors, Apparent Group Involvement, Incendiary Devices, among others. My question is, has the fire departments taken this information process to another level and have advanced past the simple accidental, incendiary, or undetermined classifications.

To me, here again is a profession dealing with fires unable to agree even on terminology. The public sector, to some degree, uses the terminology from NIFRS. Based on the fact that NIFRS is a Federal Government project, that is taught, funded and used by the government to collect data on fire causes, one would think this would be the industry standard for termonology. Most state and fire departments use this terminology. For some reason the fire investigation community wants to remain with the terminology that has been used for decades. My question would be who is advancing the profession and who wants to remain in their comfort zone.

Dan, I believe the more descriptive approach is the best and that accidental, incendiary need to disappear.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2153 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1307 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1177 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1149 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1068 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1097 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1043 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 966 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 998 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1025 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1027 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1115 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1188 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1133 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1018 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1169 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1019 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1073 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 898 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 950 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1095 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1047 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 982 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1032 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1068 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 995 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 991 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 985 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1086 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 992 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 921 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1609 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1119 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1000 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 996 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1124 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1046 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 996 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1071 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1023 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1113 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1081 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1091 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1088 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1136 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1103 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1120 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1064 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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