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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2007 02:41PM

I agree that science can produce the correct answers based on the data available at the time. There needs to be a continuous evaluation of this information as it is uncovered with a re-evaluation constantly in progress. It is my belief that when we attempt to take the conclusions reached through science and fit them into pre-ordained categories based on a person’s intent is where the problem begins. Let us stick and report the findings based on science.

If an investigator were to stick to the 921 document he or she must know the person’s intent before they can classify the cause of the fire. Sure, some intent can be inferred by the physical evidence. In the case I suggested there was a clear intent by a person to set the building on fire. What was not clear was that the intent was revenge and not profit. If you looked at the case the most likely intent would have been some type of financial motive on the part of the owner, but if you look at the actual arsonist then the intent was nothing more than revenge. I guess what I am asking is, to meet the requirements in 921 for classification how much of the intent do I need to know before a classification can be made. The other thing I was trying to show is that it is easy to infer intent and be completely wrong. In this case, science could only give the investigator the right answer as to the source of ignition and the fuel ignited. Anything beyond that is speculation until the rest of the story is told. In addition to what has been said about the case, all the owner had to do was to say he was trying to clean with the gasoline and that would change the same scenario to an accidental classification.

We need to be careful when assigning labels.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2153 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1307 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1178 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1149 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1068 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1098 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1043 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 967 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 999 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1026 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1028 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1116 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1189 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1134 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1019 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1170 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1074 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 899 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 950 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1095 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1048 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 983 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1032 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 996 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 992 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 985 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1087 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 993 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 921 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1610 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1120 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1125 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1073 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1046 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1023 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1113 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1088 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1136 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1103 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1120 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1065 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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