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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: SJAvato (IP Logged)
Date: February 01, 2007 02:08PM

This is why circumstances need to come into play (but, again, extreme caution needs to be taken when evaluating circumstances.) In some cases, the "intent" can be inferred from the scene - finding "delayed ignition" devices, large (confirmed) liquid accelerant pours, removal or rearrangement of items, disabling of alarms or fire suppression systems, etc. - in conjunction with a suspected incendiary cause. However, in many cases the scene itself may not reveal "intent". While it is true that I may have deliberately overloaded my power strip, left my fish bowl to reflect sunlight or left the rags with the hope that it would start a fire, which cannot be seen from examining the post-fire debris. If I were to call the fire "Accidental" based on the information available at the scene (wait - I wouldn't investigate my own fire) and then it turned out the subject "confessed" that the act was deliberate - I would need to change my cause (or classification) based on the new information obtained. If you argue that I should have left it "Undetermined" from the start (and I don't wholly disagree with that call - it has merit) - then how do I ever make a call of "Accidental?" Isn't it always possible that a clever criminal could make a deliberately set fire APPEAR to be accidental? How do I know that an electrician didn't deliberately leave the connection loose so that resistive heating would occur and start a fire? How can I be certain that the careless homeowner didn't deliberately leave the candle burning to provide a delayed ignition and create an alibi? What this could result in is an investigative paralysis that prevents you from ever making an accidental cause. Then we are left with only Undetermined and Incendiary. But, incendiary requires that I know intent, so if that can't clearly be inferred from the scene and I can't interview the "bad guy" - I'm again left with "Undetermined". So, we circle back to making decisions based on our best probable analysis.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2153 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1307 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1178 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1149 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1068 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1098 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1043 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 966 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 999 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1026 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1027 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1115 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1189 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1134 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1018 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1169 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1074 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 898 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 950 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1095 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1048 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 983 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1032 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 995 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 992 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 985 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1087 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 992 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 921 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1609 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1119 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1125 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1073 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1046 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1071 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1023 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1113 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1081 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1091 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1088 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1136 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1103 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1120 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1065 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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