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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2007 11:33AM

First thing is yes the owner was the one that locked the place. Second, these were the facts as of the completion of the scene investigation. The purpose of this scenario is to show there are no absolutes. Everything pointed to the man but when you spoke with him there was a feeling he was not involved. The file was listed as arson but the owner was not arrested. The investigation did continue on the motive end and it failed to produce any reason for the owner to set the fire. To make a long story short, a year later received a call from a federal agency with information on the case. They had arrested a person on another fire and he ended up confessing to this one. This person said he stopped at the bar and got involved in a card game and lost to the owner. He thought he was cheated so after the place was closed he came back and set the fire in a way that it would look like the owner did it. It is a long story as to how he got past the locks but he did. There was enough hard evidence to send the owner to jail without a motive but thank God there was no arrest made by the investigators. The investigators were two old time fire marshals that believed that is was a deliberate act but that there was insufficient information for them to believe the owner did it.

What I am trying to say is that what we do, both private and public, has an affect on others. Sometimes we can follow all the requirements and steps for conducting an investigation and still not have the right answer. I know this statement is opposite what I previously posted but it shows there are no absolutes. Here the investigators could not determine the actual intent for the setting of the fire. Yes, they new the intent was a person set the fire with the intention of burning down the building but they did not know why. Know intent does not just stop at the reason for ignition but extends to the reason for why the person acted the way they did. In this case the wrong person did not go to jail, in other cases they have, this is just not a perfect system and we as individuals do the best we can to ensure these mistakes do not take place.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2153 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1308 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1178 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1149 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1098 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1043 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 967 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 999 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1026 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1028 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1021 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1116 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1070 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1189 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1134 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1019 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1170 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1020 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1074 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 899 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 951 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1096 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1048 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 983 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1032 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1069 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 996 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1070 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 992 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 986 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1087 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 993 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 921 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1610 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1021 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1120 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1125 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1073 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1046 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1023 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1114 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1088 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1082 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1136 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1103 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1121 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1065 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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