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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2007 02:41PM

I agree that science can produce the correct answers based on the data available at the time. There needs to be a continuous evaluation of this information as it is uncovered with a re-evaluation constantly in progress. It is my belief that when we attempt to take the conclusions reached through science and fit them into pre-ordained categories based on a person’s intent is where the problem begins. Let us stick and report the findings based on science.

If an investigator were to stick to the 921 document he or she must know the person’s intent before they can classify the cause of the fire. Sure, some intent can be inferred by the physical evidence. In the case I suggested there was a clear intent by a person to set the building on fire. What was not clear was that the intent was revenge and not profit. If you looked at the case the most likely intent would have been some type of financial motive on the part of the owner, but if you look at the actual arsonist then the intent was nothing more than revenge. I guess what I am asking is, to meet the requirements in 921 for classification how much of the intent do I need to know before a classification can be made. The other thing I was trying to show is that it is easy to infer intent and be completely wrong. In this case, science could only give the investigator the right answer as to the source of ignition and the fuel ignited. Anything beyond that is speculation until the rest of the story is told. In addition to what has been said about the case, all the owner had to do was to say he was trying to clean with the gasoline and that would change the same scenario to an accidental classification.

We need to be careful when assigning labels.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2160 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1311 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1182 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1154 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1101 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1048 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 969 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1003 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1029 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1096 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1025 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1119 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1073 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1192 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1138 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1022 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1038 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1173 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1024 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1077 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 902 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 953 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1099 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1051 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 988 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1000 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1075 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 995 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 989 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1090 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1040 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 924 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1613 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1024 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1123 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1004 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1006 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1128 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1076 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1049 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1001 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1076 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1026 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1116 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1084 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1095 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1092 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1085 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1139 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1106 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1125 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1067 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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