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Re: Undetermined Accidental?
Posted by: Jim Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: February 08, 2007 11:32AM

I do not think it was thought of by the person lighting the fire. He will know better next time. Under the NFIRS program they would call this an intentional act. If it is believed this act was done to cause harm then the codes from the Arson section would be used. In this section it identifies, the case status (open, closed, etc.), was the material first ignited at the scene or brought to the scene, possible motive factors, group involvement if any, point of entry to the building, extent of fire involvement when department arrived, incendiary devices found, possible ignition devices, and a number more. If the fire cause is other than to cause harm, the reporting systems goes into areas such as misuse of material or product, mechanical or electrical failure or malfunction, installation or operation deficiency, natural conditions, etc.

Maybe there needs to be a better coordination on the development of classification between the Fire Administration and the 921 committee so that we are all talking the same language. In many states the city and state investigators or mandated to use the NFIRS system of reporting. The NFIRS system does not correlate well with the classification system being used in 921.

The simpler classification system of incendiary and accidental may be quick answers for the legal aspects in determining where the investigation should go, but I just think it is outdated an we, as a profession, need to move on to better methods of explaining our findings.



Subject Views Written By Posted
  Undetermined Accidental? 2158 dahebert 01/31/2007 11:21AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1310 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 12:35PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1181 bpeck 02/01/2007 09:23AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1153 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 10:20AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1071 MIJ 02/01/2007 10:58AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1100 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:46AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1047 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:18PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 969 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:46PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1002 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:25PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1028 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 04:16PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1031 MIJ 02/01/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1095 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1024 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 11:26AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1118 dcarpenter 01/31/2007 01:03PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1072 MIJ 01/31/2007 01:11PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1035 dahebert 01/31/2007 03:27PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1191 Jim Mazerat 01/31/2007 03:23PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1138 SJAvato 02/01/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1022 MIJ 02/01/2007 12:26PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1037 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:49PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1172 SJAvato 02/01/2007 02:08PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1023 MIJ 02/01/2007 02:30PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1077 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:40PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 901 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:17PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 953 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1098 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 03:36PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1050 MIJ 02/01/2007 05:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 987 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 07:38PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1034 MIJ 02/02/2007 10:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1071 Gerald Hurst 02/02/2007 11:01AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 999 MIJ 02/02/2007 01:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1074 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 11:33AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 994 dcarpenter 02/02/2007 11:49AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 989 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 02:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1089 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 12:41PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1039 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 01:07PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 997 Jim Mazerat 02/01/2007 02:10PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 924 MIJ 02/01/2007 03:15PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1612 dcarpenter 02/01/2007 04:39PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1024 SJAvato 02/02/2007 09:37AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1122 k9team 02/02/2007 10:10AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1003 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 10:22AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1000 ForensicEEnMD 02/05/2007 05:00PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1005 Jim Mazerat 02/05/2007 08:14PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1127 dahebert 02/06/2007 09:18AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1075 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 09:59AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1049 dcarpenter 02/06/2007 10:47AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1000 Jim Mazerat 02/06/2007 11:29AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1075 dahebert 02/07/2007 03:31PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1025 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 03:44PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1116 dahebert 02/07/2007 04:56PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1084 Jim Mazerat 02/07/2007 05:50PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1094 SJAvato 02/07/2007 06:28PM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1091 Jim Mazerat 02/08/2007 11:32AM
  Re: Undetermined Accidental? 1084 jgmcfps 02/08/2007 10:54AM
  Re: Hebert, Spelling and Grammar 1139 PMK140 02/02/2007 03:58PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1106 PMK140 02/02/2007 04:00PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1125 Jim Mazerat 02/02/2007 04:13PM
  Re: Oh, I forgot to add- 1066 dahebert 02/05/2007 12:29PM


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