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Re: 921 Level of Certainty
Posted by: J L Mazerat (IP Logged)
Date: March 12, 2022 09:10AM

Doug:

I agree that we use a level of certainty “implicitly” is thought to be part of the scientific method. Meaning that something is implied, rather than expressly stated. My disagreement with this word is that it also has the meaning of something being unquestioning, unreserved, or unconditional. In reaching and explaining one’s conclusion I believe explicitly is used in that one clearly expresses, demonstrates, or formulates an opinion.

Your answer to my second question directly relates to the level of certainty. You are correct there are no absolutes. That means any opinion rendered is based on reliable knowledge while knowing there is always the potential of it being proven wrong. This is a level of certainty base on what is known at the time the opinion is given.

So, what you are saying is what we get from using science to determine the cause of an incident is the best science can do at that time.

I am just saying I believe that using science to test a hypothesis there is the potential that there may be multiple hypotheses that cannot be disproved. At that point I can evaluate the evidence and say on of the hypotheses have a greater probability of being the cause over the others and then list the facts to support this opinion. What I must also do is be willing to agree that even thought I believe this one has the greatest potential, I cannot eliminate the fact that one of the others could be the cause. Here I am using the level of certainty but also explaining its use. Then it is up the trier of fact to make the final determination based on the evidence presented.

I believe judges and juries, when presented with two different opposing set of facts, use the level of certainty by weighing what they were told by each side and then saying which was the most probable.

Because there is as you say no absolutes in science, there needs to be some level of certainty in a scientific conclusion.

I guess what I am against is that information keeps being taken out of NFPA 921 in one section where they keep using it in another. As an example, the document took out negative corpus. They said it is wrong to use negative corpus to reach a conclusion. At the same time, they leave the process in the text of other sections and say it is acceptable to be used. They took out the chapter on classification but instructed the user in other sections that they should give a specific classification. They are doing the same thing with the removal of level of certainty. They take out the level of certainty but leave in the document instructions that if there are other hypotheses the are consistent with the data the investigator should list the facts that support his cause determination over the others. They even tell the user how to us the level of certainty. The committee is sending mixed messages.

Jim Mazerat
Forensic Investigations Group



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  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 345 dcarpenter 03/03/2022 10:28AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 326 J L Mazerat 03/04/2022 09:52AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 310 dcarpenter 03/10/2022 11:50AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 289 J L Mazerat 03/12/2022 09:10AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 281 dcarpenter 03/14/2022 02:54PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 265 J L Mazerat 03/15/2022 10:06AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 274 dcarpenter 03/15/2022 07:27PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 268 J L Mazerat 03/16/2022 12:58PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 263 dcarpenter 03/17/2022 02:35PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 259 J L Mazerat 03/18/2022 09:07AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 261 dcarpenter 03/18/2022 10:51AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 261 J L Mazerat 03/19/2022 12:06PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 254 dcarpenter 03/21/2022 10:42AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 233 J L Mazerat 03/21/2022 05:09PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 237 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 08:46AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 233 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 09:00AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 231 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 11:48AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 244 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 11:41AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 234 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 01:16PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 236 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 02:32PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 256 J L Mazerat 03/19/2022 09:37AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 292 dcarpenter 03/19/2022 10:04AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 252 J L Mazerat 03/19/2022 08:30PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 254 dcarpenter 03/21/2022 10:47AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 240 J L Mazerat 03/21/2022 05:16PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 248 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 08:56AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 242 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 11:45AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 260 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 01:21PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 238 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 02:36PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 243 dcarpenter 03/22/2022 03:18PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 235 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 05:41PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 243 J L Mazerat 03/22/2022 07:35PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 267 J L Mazerat 03/20/2022 10:40AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 271 cda 03/20/2022 08:27PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 262 J L Mazerat 03/21/2022 08:32PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 251 cda 03/22/2022 09:54AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 250 J L Mazerat 03/23/2022 10:57AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 259 CJN 03/23/2022 08:54PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 256 dcarpenter 03/29/2022 08:26AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 257 dcarpenter 03/29/2022 08:31AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 245 J L Mazerat 03/29/2022 10:55AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 249 J L Mazerat 03/29/2022 10:51AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 263 John Lentini 03/31/2022 03:38PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 268 J L Mazerat 03/31/2022 06:57PM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 268 John Lentini 04/01/2022 10:12AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 239 J L Mazerat 04/08/2022 08:37AM
  Re: 921 Level of Certainty 264 J L Mazerat 03/24/2022 02:47PM
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